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Stalin and Hitler weren't atheists! - Evidences


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Sometimes believers lie, that Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945) was an atheist and killing Jews has nothing to do with religion. The truth is that Adolf Hitler was a Roman Catholic. Hitler with his speeches and actions let to understand not once, that he believes in God, pursues God’s plan and even is protected by God. Last thought obsessed Hitler after unsuccessful attempts to kill him.



Quotes form Adolf Hitler’s personal book "My Struggle" ("Mein Kampf").








































Volume One: A ReckoningErster Band: Eine Abrechnung
2. Years of Study and Suffering in Vienna: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."2. Kapitel - Wiener Lehr und Leidensjahre: "So glaube ich heute im Sinne des allmächtigen Schöpfers zu handeln: Indem ich mich des Juden erwehre, kämpfe ich für das Werk des Herrn."
6. War Propaganda: "Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of the Lord's image."6. Kapitel - Kriegspropaganda: "Mit den Juden, als den modernen Erfindern dieses Kulturparfüms, braucht man sich aber darüber wahrhaftig nicht zu unterhalten. Ihr ganzes Dasein ist der fleisch-gewordene Protest gegen die Ästhetik des Ebenbildes des Herrn."
8. The Beginning of My Political Activity: "What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfilment of the mission allotted it by the Creator of the universe."8. Kapitel - Beginn meiner politischen Tätigkeit: "Für was wir zu kämpfen haben, ist die Sicherung des Bestehens und der Vermeh-rung unserer Rasse und unseres Volkes, die Ernährung seiner Kinder und Reinhal-tung des Blutes, die Freiheit und Unab-hängigkeit des Vaterlandes, auf daß unser Volk zur Erfüllung der auch ihm vom Schöpfer des Universums zugewiesenen Mission heranzureifen vermag."
Volume Two: The National Socialist MovementZweiter Band: Die nationalsozialistische Bewegung
1. Philosophy and Party: "Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise."1. Kapitel - Weltanschauung und Partei: "Wer die Hand an das höchste Ebenbild des es Herrn zu legen wagt, frevelt am gütigen Schöpfer dieses Wunders und hilft mit an der Vertreibung aus dem Paradies."
10. Federalism as a Mask: "As far as regards that kind of "patriotic" warrior, on behalf of the National Socialist Movement and therefore of the German people I pray with all my heart: "Lord, preserve us from such friends, and then we can easily deal with our enemies.""10. Kapitel - Der Föderalismus als Maske: "Ich kann, was diese Art von "völkischen" Kämp-fern betrifft, der nationalsozialistischen Bewegung und da-mit auch dem deutschen Volke aus aufrichtigstem Herzen nur wünschen: "Herr, bewahre sie vor solchen Freunden, auch sie wird mit ihren Feinden dann schon fertig werden.""
13. German Alliance Policy after the War: "Almighty God, bless our arms when the hour comes. Be just, as Thou hast always been just. Judge now if we deserve our freedom. Lord, bless our struggle."13. Kapitel - Deutsche Bündnispolitik nach dem Kriege: "Allmäch-tiger Gott, segne dereinst unsere Waffen; sei so gerecht, wie du es immer warst; ur-teile jetzt, ob wir die Freiheit nun verdie-nen; Herr, segne unseren Kampf!"
14. Eastern Orientation or Eastern Policy: "And this action is the only one which, before God and our German posterity, would make any sacrifice of blood seems justified."14. Kapitel - Ostorientierung oder Ostpolitik: "Und diese Aktion ist die einzige, die vor Gott und unserer deutschen Nachwelt einen Bluteinsatz gerecht-fertigt erscheinen läßt."

Adolf Hitler didn't support Evolution and was against mixing animals and races.









„Even a superficial glance is sufficient to show that all the innumerable forms in which the life-urge of Nature manifests itself are subject to a fundamental law - one may call it an iron law of Nature - which compels the various species to keep within the definite limits of their own life-forms when propagating and multiplying their kind.“ (...) „This urge for the maintenance of the unmixed breed, which is a phenomenon that prevails throughout the whole of the natural world, results not only in the sharply defined outward distinction between one species and another but also in the internal similarity of characteristic qualities which are peculiar to each breed or species. The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, efficiency, endurance, etc., with which the individual specimens are endowed.“ (...) „In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following:
(a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered;
(b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap.
The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged. Man's effort to build up something that contradicts the iron logic of Nature brings him into conflict with those principles to which he himself exclusively owes his own existence. By acting against the laws of Nature he prepares the way that leads to his ruin.“

Adolf Hitler "Mein Kampf", Volume 1, Chapter 11 : Race and People


„Schon die oberflächliche Betrachtung zeigt als nahezu ehernes Grundgesetz all der unzähligen Ausdrucksformen des Lebenswillens der Natur ihre in sich begrenzte Form der Fortpflanzung und Vermehrung. Jedes Tier paart sich nur mit einem Genossen der gleichen Art.“ (...) „Die Folge dieses in der Natur allgemein gültigen Trie- bes zur Rassenreinheit ist nicht nur die scharfe Abgrenzung der einzelnen Rassen nach außen, sondern auch ihre gleich-mäßige Wesensart in sich selber. Der Fuchs ist immer ein Fuchs, die Gans eine Gans, der Tiger ein Tiger usw., und der Unterschied kann höchstens im verschiedenen Maße der Kraft, der Stärke, der Klugheit, Gewandtheit, Ausdauer usw. der einzelnen Exemplare liegen.“ (...) „Das Ergebnis jeder Rassenkreuzung ist also, ganz kurz gesagt, immer folgendes:
a) Niedersenkung des Niveaus der höheren Rasse,
b) körperlicher und geistiger Rückgang und damit der Beginn eines, wenn auch langsam, so doch sicher fort-schreitenden Siechtums.
Eine solche Entwicklung herbeiführen, heißt aber denn doch nichts anderes, als Sünde treiben wider den Willen des ewigen Schöpfers. Als Sünde aber wird diese Tat auch gelohnt. Indem der Mensch versucht, sich gegen die eiserne Logik der Natur aufzubäumen, gerät er in Kampf mit den Grundsätzen, denen auch er selber sein Dasein als Mensch allein verdankt. So muß sein Handeln gegen die Natur zu seinem eigenen Untergang führen.“

Adolf Hitler "Mein Kampf", Band 1, Kapitel 11 : Volk und Rasse


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Adolf Hitler was creationist and saw atheism as a danger.









"Educated man always stands in Reverence facing Creation; he can’t unriddle its sensible Greatness; but Uneducated man is in Danger to proceed to Atheism, which means he will be Brutish."

Adolf Hitler said in 1941-10-14; Monologues from the Führer's Headquarter; page 41; published by Orbis Verlag in 2000


"Der gebildete Mensch steht immer in Ehrfurcht vor der Schöpfung, die er nicht enträtseln kann, deren Größe er aber empfindet; der Ungebildete hingegen ist in Gefahr, zum Atheismus, das ist zum Vertiert sein, überzuspringen."

Adolf Hitler sagte am 14. Oktober 1941; Monologe aus dem Führerhauptquartier; seite 41; Orbis Verlag, 2000


"We don't want to educate anyone in atheism." - Adolf Hitler; Table-Talk, page 6



"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith... We need believing people" - Adolf Hitler (The German Churches Under Hitler, p.241)



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"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." - 1941, Said by Hitler to General Gerhart Engel in 1941; from John Toland [Pulitzer Prize winner], Adolf Hitler, New York: Anchor Publishing, 1992



Hitler transferred religion to politics.

"I learned much from the Order of the Jesuits… until now there has never been anything more grandiose on the earth than the hierarchical organization of the Catholic Church. I transferred much of this organization into my own party." - Hermann Rauschning, Hitler Said To Me (1939), p.266-267



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Hitler saw Jesus as fighter against Jews and blamed Jews for His death.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)



Hitler saw himself as a reformer of Christianity, not as fighter against it.

Hitler never renounced Christ and his Christianity. He fought against Christians, who, as he thought, corrupted Christianity. Hitler saw himself as activist and reformer of Christianity like Jesus or German priest Martin Luther (1483-1546).

"Luther had the merit of rising against the Pope and the organisation of the Church. It was the first of the great revolutions. And thanks to his translation of the Bible, Luther replaced our dialects by the great German language!" - Hitler / Table-Talk p.9

"The decisive falsification of Jesus's doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work with subtlety and for purposes of personal exploitation. For the Galiean's object was to liberate His country from Jewish oppression. He set Himself against Jewish capitalism, and that's why the Jews liquidated Him." - Hitler / Table-Talk, p.76

"Christ was an Aryan, and St. Paul used his doctrine to mobilise the criminal underworld and thus organise a proto-Bolshevism." - Hitler / Table-Talk, p. 143



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Just because Hitler tried to create his own version of Christianity and prove, that Jesus was not a Jew, and therefore argued with other Christians - that does not make him unbeliever or anti-Christian. Christians always struggle between each other for "true" Christianity even till blood and accuse each other that their opponents are not "true" Christians. Hitler didn’t reject Christianity. He just criticized it’s organized version and therefore later (1936-1938) switched to more militant branch - "The Order of Jesuits", because he thought that other denominations are corrupted and too weak to defend Christian ideals and beliefs.

If Protestant fights against Catholic version of Christianity, that doesn’t mean that Protestant is not a Christian and doesn’t belong to Christianity. Some people are believers with their personalized-modified understanding of religion or God and fight against other organized religions. Sometimes they fight even against their own organized religion. For example, they can think that it is corrupted and perverted, greedy or there is no need in organized religion - God must be private thing, etc..

There is no standard of Christianity. Each group declare themselves as "standard". Every group and every person is slightly different and has his own modifications of God and how to worship Him. Differences-modifications appear from different/subjective experience and knowledge in life. These modifications come from a wish to satisfy personal needs with less expense and more easily to pass to Heaven. So if "true" Christianity Mormon or Pope is ONE thing, for Hitler, Mother Teresa, Orthodox or some guy in India it will be OTHER thing. Christians will always fight for "true" Christianity between each other, as personal needs between people often come in conflict and nobody wants to see himself as fallible or loser. But this doesn't make all them non-Christians. Everybody wants to take more than to give. Hitler modified Christianity to make it more profitable for himself (as ALL Christians do without exception – just not all want to admit this for themselves) and honestly believed, that these modifications leads to "true" Christianity. He believed that old type organized Christianity is corrupted. People, who made profit form Hitler’s modifications, honestly admitted that these changes led TO more "true" Christianity. People who lost from Hitler's changes, started to claim that they led away FROM "true" Christianity. Today‘s Christians are not the ones, who made profit from Hitler’s ideas and changes - these changes put them in to uncomfortable position now, Hitler brought shame on Christianity as a Christian. So, of course, today’s Christians opposing Hitler’s changes on Christianity and identify them as factors which distanced Christianity from "true". Therefore they are opposing Hitler’s own identification as "true" Christian, because he does not match today’s Christians subjective conception of what"true" Christian is. Christian tactic is to create imaginable etalon of ideal Christian... and then they can call any person as "not true" Christian, who put "brothers in faith" in uncomfortable position, in such way washing off hands and avoiding responsibility for members of organisation.

Hitler believed in Christian God, in Christ, he went to Christian church and prayed. Hitler has all main Christianity bases. He was the same candy of sh*, just in different wrapping. What about killing? There is another True Christian besides Hitler – God, who lied, cheated, killed, robbed and was a paedophile. So everyone, who commits all these sins, can be Christians too ...unless God is an "Atheist".



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Hitler’s "atheistic" army wore their "atheism" propagating sign on their military uniforms, like buckles "God With Us" ("Gott mit uns"). Some ideas, how to persecute and exterminate Jews, Hitler copied from previous Popes. For example, to wear special signs and ghettoise Jews was not Hitler's, but "brilliant" idea of Pope, made-up and described in 1555 year document "Cum nimis absurdum". It is not big secret that present Pope Joseph Alois Ratzinger was member of "Hitler’s-Youth" ("Hitler-Jugend"). Fascism with Mussolini born and was developed in Italy. People, who know geography well, can tell easily where Vatican is.



Some English quotes against Christianity by Adolf Hitler can be fabricated.
ffrf.org/fttoday/2002/nov02/carrier.php

There are two original-extant versions of "Hitler’s Table Talk" (whatever Hitler said in his bunker in Berlin). One is by two Hitler’s secretaries Heinrich Heim and Henry Picker, and other is by Hitler's right-hand-man Martin Bormann. Published:

1951 and 1976 German versions "Hitler's Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier" ("Hitler's Table Talk in the Central Headquarters") by Henry Picker and Heinrich Heim.

1952 French version "Libres Propos sur la Guerre et la Paix: Recueillis sur l'Ordre de Martin Bormann" ("Candid Remarks on the War and the Peace: Collected by Order of Martin Bormann") by François Genoud. It is half of the "Bormann Vermerke" ("Bormann Notes").

1953, 1973 and 2000 English versions "Hitler's Table Talk, 1941-1944 and Hitler's Secret Conversations, 1941-1944", edited by Hugh Trevor-Roper and translated by R. H. Stevens and Norman Cameron "officially" from "Bormann Vermerke" ("Bormann Notes"), but factually part from 1952 French version "Libres Propos sur la Guerre et la Paix: Recueillis sur l'Ordre de Martin Bormann" ("Candid Remarks on the War and the Peace: Collected by Order of Martin Bormann") by François Genoud.

1980 German version "Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941-1944: die Aufzeichnungen Heinrich Heims herausgegeben von Werner Jochmann" ("Monologue in the Central Headquarters: the Notes of Heinrich Heim edited by Werner Jochmann") by historian Werner Jochmann. It contained and "Bormann Vermerke" ("Bormann Notes").

1951 German edition by Henry Picker carries the strongest claim to authenticity. It has the actual German, was the first to be published, and has the support of eyewitness testimony. It also had scholarly backing on title page: "Arranged on behalf of the German Institute for the History of National Socialism, initiated and published by Gerhard Ritter, professor of history at the University of Freiburg". Another historian, Walter Mediger, even checked Picker's first edition (1951) against these original notes, made corrections in the second edition (1976), and testified to its accuracy.

Next in authority is the scholarly work of Werner Jochmann (1980), who publishes the German of the Bormann manuscript employed by François Genoud and Hugh Trevor-Roper's translators. Though it passed through many hands, including Bormann's, it agrees with Picker's text to such a detailed extent that we can be assured the two texts have a common ancestor, which must be the actual bunker notes themselves.

Christians like to present some "anti-religious" Hitler’s quotes from English versions (1953, 1973, 2000), which are translations from French version (1952).

And in original 1951, 1976 and 1980 German versions by Henry Picker and Werner Jochmann there are NO, for example, such Hitler’s remarks as "I shall never come to terms with the Christian lie" or "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity" - such quotes appears just in English versions (1953, 1973 and 2000) by Hugh Trevor-Roper which are translations from French version (1952) by François Genoud.
















German version: "I have never found pleasure in maltreating others, even if I know it isn't possible to maintain oneself in the world without force. Life is granted only to those who fight the hardest. It is the law of life: Defend yourself! The time in which we live has the appearance of the collapse of this idea. It can still take 100 or 200 years. I am sorry that, like Moses, I can only see the Promised Land from a distance."French to English translation: "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity."
German version: "To do something false against one's own knowledge, that is out of the question! One should never personally fall in line with such a lie."French to English translation: "I shall never come to terms with the Christian lie."
German version: "Christianity teaches 'transubstantiation', which is the maddest thing ever concocted by a human mind in its delusions, a mockery of all that is godly."French to English translation: "But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery."

And there is more - the document by François Genoud, first published in French (1952) as "Hitlers politisches Testament" and in English (1961) as "Hitler's Last Testament" with an introduction by Professor Hugh Trevor-Roper was fake! More information about scammers Hugh Trevor-Roper and François Genoud and how they falsified "Hitler’s testament" and words is here: fpp.co.uk/Hitler/docs/Testament/byGenoud.html




HITLER: THE ATHEIST (Quiz Show) by NonStampCollector




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Not only Adolf Hitler was a believer. The bloodiest communist regime dictator Josef Stalin (1878 – 1953) was not an ATHEIST, but RELIGIOUS COMMUNIST. There was period in his life (during and after humiliating and cruel regime in Tbilisi Priest‘s Seminary and revolution time, when Stalin fought against monarchical dictatorship, supported by church), when he hold grudge against priests and religion, struggled and leaned more towards atheism. But eventually he returned to his religious roots and chose to resurrect and protect religion in USSR. Stalin used blind faith-based religious principles to strengthen his own dictatorship. Stalin born in 1878. He received more power and started his mass murder journey through corpses in 1922 and died in 1953.



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~6 years in Church‘s School and ~5 years in Priest‘s Seminary.

Stalin grew in religious family and it was planned that he will become a priest. Therefore Stalin received religious education in Gori Church‘s School (1888-09-01 - 1894-06-??) and Tbilisi Priest‘s Seminary (1894-09-01 - 1899-07-29) which he didn’t accomplished, because he entered Revolution movement. Ideas about rich people as oppressors of the poor, how to defend poor people from them and that rich people will go to Hell or, at least, it will be hard for them to go to (communistic) heaven, Stalin collected from his religious education and the Bible.

Bible:NT:Matthew:19:23-24 And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Bible:NT:James:2:5-6 "Listen, my beloved brethren. Has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which he has promised to those who love him? But you have dishonoured the poor man. Is it not the rich who oppress you, is it not they who drag you into court?"

Bible:NT:James:5:1 "Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you."

Bible explains that, if you want to be real believer, you must resign your possessions and give them to the poor.

Bible:NT:Luke:12:33 "Sell your possessions, and give alms; provide yourselves with purses that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys."

Bible:NT:Mark:10:21-22 And Jesus looking upon him loved him, and said to him, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me." At that saying his countenance fell, and he went away sorrowful; for he had great possessions.

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Latin commun = English collective, shared. Sometimes people think that communism (collective, shared property, no private property) was atheistic idea and that “communist = atheist”. But communism was promoted in Bible as model of ideal society for believers. Christ followers in Bible lived as true communists by having common property as “ideal society” dreamed by USSR communists.

Bible:NT:Acts:2:44-45 And all who believed were together and had all things in common; and they sold their possessions and goods and distributed them to all, as any had need.

Bible:NT:Acts:4:32 Now the company of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had everything in common.

Bible:NT:Acts:4:33-35 And with great power the apostles gave their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet; and distribution was made to each as any had need.

Believers forget also, how property was and still is managed in Church and monasteries, where is no private property. Monks, nuns and many Christian priests live by sharing property, avoiding private possessions and being rich, as pure communists and they promote such way of life - pure communism in all its glory. Are they atheists? Church and monasteries adopted and realized "atheistic" ideas of common-shared property thousands of years before revolution in Russia (1917) even started.

Believers throw accusations easily. They name believers as “atheists” without any shame, if these persons did bad things or were communists - of course, doing bad is not “compatible” with Christianity :).



Stalin wrote poems in Georgian language. Poems were published by local magazines. Translation from Georgian to Russian language by L.Kotiukov (Л. Котюков):










B.M.Gunko
"Poet Josef Dzhugashvili"
1999-03-09 Newspaper "Duel"
N10(101)

Bowl full of poison

He walked from house to house,
knocking on doors of strangers.
Accompanied by old oak panduri
a simple tune sounded.

In his burden and song,
like pure beam of the Sun,
lived great truth –
Divine dream.

Hearts, turned into stone,
were waked by lonely tune.
Sleeping in the dark flame
flew above the trees.

But people, who forgot God,
with darkness in their hearts,
instead of wine poison
poured in the cup for him.

They told him: Damn you!
Drink this cup to the bottom!...
And your song is alien for us,
and we don’t need your truth!

Iveria, 1895, № 218, p. 6
(Georgian language).


Б.М.Гунько
"Поет Иосиф Джугашвили"
1999-03-09 Газета "Дуель"
N10(101)

Шел он от дома к дому,
В двери чужие стучал.
Под старый дубовый пандури
Нехитрый мотив звучал.

В напеве его и в песне,
Как солнечный луч чиста,
Жила великая правда -
Божественная мечта.

Сердца, превращенные в камень,
Будил одинокий напев.
Дремавший в потемках пламень
Взметался выше дерев.

Но люди, забывшие Бога,
Хранящие в сердце тьму,
Вместо вина отраву
Налили в чашу ему.

Сказали ему: "Будь проклят!
Чашу испей до дна!..
И песня твоя чужда нам,
И правда твоя не нужна!"

Иверия, 1895, № 218, с. 6
(на грузинцком языке)


Confirmation is needed
that Georgian-Russian
translation is accurate.

შხამით აღსავსე ფიალა

ამ ქვეყნად იგი, ვით ლანდი,
კარის-კარ დაწრიალებდა;
ხელთ ეპყრა მუხის ფანდური,
ხმა ტკბილად აწკრიალებდა;

მის საოცნებო ჰანგებში;
ვითარცა სხივი მზიური,
ისმოდა თვითონ სიმართლე
და სიყვარული ციური,

ბევრს აუძგერა იმა ხმამ
გული, ქვად გადაქცეული;
ბევრს გაუნათლა გონება,
ბნელ-უკუნეთად ქცეული.

მაგრამ, დიდების მაგიერ,
სად ჩანგმა გაიწკრიალა,
განდევნილს ბრბომ იქ დაუდგა
შხამით აღვსილი ფიალა. . .

და უთხრეს: “შესვი, წყეულო,
ეგ არის შენი ხვედრიო!
შენი არ გვინდა სიმართლე,
არც ეგ ციური ხმებიო!“









Igor Kurljandsky:Pay attention to quatrain Kohl Kavsadze, composed by young Stalin in Gori, in which church protection motive, unique for Joseph, sounded.Игорь Курляндский: "Обратим внимание на сочиненное в Гори четверостишие юного Сталина «Коле Кавсадзе», в котором прозвучал уникальный для Иосифа мотив церковного заступничества."



With help of classmate Michael Tshakaya (Михаил Григорьевич Цхакая) from Priest Seminary as godfather in wedding, Stalin and his first wife Ekaterina Svanidze (Екатерина Семёновна Сванидзе) married secretly in Tifli's church of St. David in 1904.

The documentary “Stalin. Part Two. Life in the revolution”, directed by Elena Tikhonova, 2003. (Документальный фильм «Сталин. Часть вторая. Личная жизнь в революции», режиссер Елена Тихонова, 2003.)



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Stalin told to his daughter Svetlana Alliluyeva-Stalin that Christ existed.

















"Mysteries of the Century: Kremlin Kids"
2003-03-19, Channel One Russia


"Тайны века: Дети Кремля"
2003-03-19, Первый канал, Россия

Journalist: It is interesting, that from all residents of Kremlin, maybe, just Stalin believed in God...Ведущий: Интересно, что из обитателей Кремля, наверное, только Сталин верил в Бога...
S.Alliluyeva: In fathers library, between other books, were few tomes of Christ. It was history of Christ, written by vox populist Morozov. I said to my father: But Christ didn’t exist! and he answered: Oh no, Christ, certainly, existed.С.Аллилуева: У отца среди книг в библиотеке стояли несколько томов "Христос". Это история Христа, написанная народовольцем Морозовым. Я сказала отцу: "Но ведь Христос не существовал!". А он ответил "Да нет, Христос, конечно, существовал".

In other-bigger Interview to Russian magazine “Version” ("Версия") and second Russian TV channel RTR (РТР) (1998) Svetlana spoke more about her father’s belief in God. She said, that Stalin told history of Christ her later. And she thinks that he was believer. Stalin‘s wife Nadezhda (Надежда Сергеевна Аллилуева), maybe, was an atheist, because she denied for nannies to talk about God with kids. But it was not big problem - (maybe, with God‘s help :) Nadezhda shoot herself in 1932. It is symbolic, that her name Надежда means “Hope”. Stalin’s daughter said that after mother’s death Stalin lost everything human in him.



Stalin prohibits liquidation of churches and persecution of believers.

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1998. АРХИВЫ КРЕМЛЯ. В 2-Х КН. / КН. 2. ПОЛИТБЮРО И ЦЕРКОВЬ.1922-1925 ГГ. ISBN 5-8243-0001-1
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ARCHIVES OF THE KREMLIN


АРХИВЫ КРЕМЛЯ

POLITICAL BUREAU AND CHURCH
1922-1925
ПОЛИТБЮРО И ЦЕРКОВЬ
1922-1925 гг.
File №12. “Antireligious work”Дело №12. "Антирелигиозная работа"
№12-56:№ 12-56:
The circular letter of CC RKP(b) №30 “about attitude to religious organizations” 1923 August 16thЦиркулярное письмо ЦК РКП(б) № 30 "об отношении к религиозным организациям" 16 августа 1923 г.
Strictly - ConfidentialСтрого - Секретно
TO ALL GUBERNATORIAL, COUNTRY and REGIONAL COMMITTEES, NATIONAL CC and BUREAU CC. The CIRCULAR LETTER of CC RKP №30 (About attitude to religious organizations).ВСЕМ ГУБКОМАМ, ОБКОМАМ, КРАЕВЫМ КОМИТЕТАМ, НАЦИОНАЛЬНЫМ ЦК и БЮРО ЦК. ЦИРКУЛЯРНОЕ ПИСЬМО ЦК РКП №30 (Об отношении к религиозным организациям).
The Central Committee recommends to all organizations of the party to address serious attention on number of the serious violations, admitted by some organizations in the field of anti-religious propaganda and, in general, in the field of attitudes to believers and to their cults.ЦК предлагает всем организациям партии обратить самое серьезное внимание на ряд серьезных нарушений, допущенных некоторыми организациями в области антирелигиозной пропаганды и, вообще, в области отношений к верующим и к их культам.
The party program speaks: “it is necessary to avoid carefully any insult of feelings of believers, which leads to fastening fanaticism only. The resolution of 12-th Party Congress, concerning anti-religious propaganda and propagation, confirms, that deliberately rough actions, often practising in centre and in places, mockery about subjects of belief and cult, instead of serious analysis and explanation - do not accelerate, but complicate liberation of workers from religious superstitions.”Партийная программа говорит: “необходимо заботливо избегать всякого оскорбления чувств верующих, ведущего лишь к закреплению религиозного фанатизма”. Резолюция ХII-го Партсъезда по вопросам антирелигиозной агитации и пропаганды подтверждает, что “нарочито грубые приемы, часто практикующиеся в центре и на местах, издевательство над предметами веры и культа, взамен серьезного анализа и объяснения — не ускоряют, а затрудняют освобождение трудящихся масс от религиозных предрассудков”.
Meanwhile some of our local organizations regularly break these clear and determinate instructions of the party program and party congress.Между тем некоторые из наших местных организаций систематически нарушают эти ясные и определенные директивы партийной программы и партийного съезда.
Irkutsk Provincial Executive Committee with one stroke of a pen stopped from June 26-th of this year existence of all Baptist societies on all province and also closed their praying houses for political reasons. Orlovsk Provincial Executive Committee closed on all province churches and praying premises because of not following administrative orders, for not registration, not taking in to account even that term of registration was postponed. In Kliuchinsk glass factory of Tver province and in factory Communistic vanguard (b. Sobinka) of Vladimir provinces by voting on general meetings were made decisions on closing churches, praying premises and these decisions served as basis for local authorities to close churches, and in last cases matter reached armed conflict between believing workers and communists with communists-youth. Mscensk Executive Committee (Orlovsk province) declared in the rough form to representatives of church about taxation of each church from 100 to 500 roubles in gold, as the penalty for not registering, and on the request to motivate such collecting, followed threat to arrest and after this arrest followed. On all Transcaucasia, especially in Georgia, tens of churches closing absolutely illegally, with violation of instructions of a party, causing among the population anxiety, dissatisfaction. In Minsk (Belarus), in Kharkov (Ukraine), Poltava (Ukraine), Kremenchug (Ukraine), Lvov (district Rechitsky, Gomel pr.), Birzule (Odessa pr. Ukraine), Simferopol (Crimea) and in many other cities of the south and south-west of the USSR the local Jewish praying houses were closed by local authorities. And etc., etc.Иркутский Губисполком одним расчерком пера прекратил с 26. VI с. г. существование всех баптистских обществ по всей губернии и закрыл их молитвенные дома по “политическим соображениям”. Орловский губисполком закрыл по всей губернии церкви и молитвенные помещения за неисполнение административных распоряжений, за нерегистрацию, несмотря даже на то, что срок регистрации был отсрочен. На Ключинском стекольном заводе Тверской губернии и на фабрике “Коммунистический авангард” (б. Собинка) Владимирской губерний голосованием на общих собраниях вынесены решения о закрытии церквей, молитвенных помещений и эти решения послужили основанием для местной власти к закрытию церквей, причем в последних случаях дело дошло до вооруженного столкновения верующих рабочих с коммунистами и комсомольцами. Мценский уисполком (Орловской губернии) объявил в грубой форме представителям церковных советов об обложении каждой церкви от 100 до 500 рубл. золотом, как штраф за нерегистрацию, причем на просьбу о предъявлении основания взыскания последовала угроза арестом, а вслед за этим и арест. По всему Закавказью, особенно в Грузии, закрываются десятки церквей совершенно незаконно, с нарушением директив партии, вызывая среди населения брожение, недовольство. В Минске (Белоруссия), в Харькове (Украина), Полтаве (Украина), Кременчуге (Украина), Лоеве (Речицкий уезд, Гомельской губ.), Бирзуле (Одесская губ. Украина), Симферополе (Крым) и во многих других городах юга и юго-запада СССР были местной властью закрыты еврейские молитвенные дома. И т. д., и т. д.
These and similar to them numerous examples with sufficient brightness show, how careless, unserious, frivolously some local organizations of the Party and local authorities are to such important question, as a question on freedom of religious beliefs. These organizations and authorities, probably, do not understand, that by rough, tactless actions against the believers, representing the enormous majority of the population, they put incalculable harm to the Soviet authority, threaten to break achievements of a party in the field of decomposition of church and risk to help counter-revolution.Эти и подобные им многочисленные примеры с достаточной яркостью свидетельствуют о том, как неосторожно, не серьезно, легкомысленно относятся некоторые местные организации Партии и местные органы власти к такому важному вопросу, как вопрос о свободе религиозных убеждений. Эти организации и органы власти, видимо, не понимают, что своими грубыми, безтактными действиями против верующих, представляющих громадное большинство населения, они наносят неисчислимый вред советской власти, грозят сорвать достижения партии в области разложения церкви и рискуют сыграть на руку контрреволюции.
Proceeding from told, the CC decides: Исходя из сказанного, ЦК постановляет:
1. To prohibit liquidation of churches, praying premises and synagogues on motives for not proceeding administrative orders about registration, and where such closing took place - to repeal immediately;1. воспретить закрытие церквей, молитвенных помещений и синагог по мотивам неисполнения административных распоряжений о регистрации, а где таковое закрытие имело место — отменить немедля;
2. To prohibit liquidation of praying premises, buildings and so forth by voting at assemblies with participation of non-believers or strangers to that group of believers, which concluded contract on premise or building;2. воспретить ликвидацию молитвенных помещений, зданий и проч. путем голосования на собраниях с участием неверующих или посторонних той группе верующих, которая заключила договор на помещение или здание;
3. To prohibit liquidation of praying premises, buildings and so forth for not paying taxes, as such liquidation is admitted not in strict accordance with instruction PCJ 1918 of 11;3. воспретить ликвидацию молитвенных помещений, зданий и пр. за невзнос налогов, поскольку такая ликвидация допущена не в строгом соответствии с инструкцией НКЮ 1918 г. п. 11;
4. To prohibit arrests of “religious character” as they are not connected with obviously counter-revolutionary acts of “priests” and believers;4. воспретить аресты "религиозного характера", поскольку они не связаны с явно контр-революционными деяниями "служителей церкви" и верующих;
5. By delivering premises to religious societies and defining rates, to follow strictly the decision of The All-Russia Central Executive Committee from 1923 March 29-th;5. при сдаче помещений религиозным обществам и определении ставок строжайше соблюдать постановление ВЦИК-а от 29/III-23 г.;
6. To explain to members of the party, that our success in business of decomposition of church and eradication of religious superstitions depends not on persecutions of believers - persecutions only strengthen religious prejudices, - but on tactful attitude to believers, on patient and thoughtful criticism of religious superstitions, on serious historical illumination of ideas of god, cult and religion and so forth;6. разъяснить членам партии, что наш успех в деле разложения церкви и искоренения религиозных предрассудков зависит не от гонений на верующих — гонения только укрепляют религиозные предрассудки, — а от тактичного отношения к верующим при терпеливой и вдумчивой критике религиозных предрассудков, при серьезном историческом освещении идеи бога, культа и религии и пр.;
7. To assign responsibility for carrying out to life given instruction to secretaries of provincial committees, regional committees, regional bureau, national Central Committees and to country committees personally.7. ответственность за проведение в жизнь данной директивы возложить на секретарей губкомов, обкомов, облбюро, национальных ЦК и крайкомов и крайкомов лично.
The Central Committee warns at the same time, that such attitude to church and believers should not, however, in any measure to weaken vigilance of our organizations in sense of careful supervision over that the church and religious societies would not turn religion into the instrument of counter-revolution.ЦК вместе с тем предостерегает, что такое отношение к церкви и верующим не должно, однако, ни в какой мере ослабить бдительность наших организаций в смысле тщательного наблюдения за тем, чтобы церковь и религиозные общества не обратили религию в орудие контр-революции.
CC Secretary I.Stalin. 1923-08-23Секретарь ЦК И. Сталин. 16/VIII 23 г.



Fabricated documents by anti-communist and priest.

Anti-communist Anatoly Latyshev in his book  “Declassified Lenin” (Анатолий Латышев «Рассекреченный Ленин») in 1996 and priest Priest Dimitry Dudko (Димитрий Дудко, 1922 - 2004) in 1999 («Наш современник» №12, 1999-12-??) tried to portrait atheist Lenin (1870-1924) as more cruel and believer Stalin as more merciful. They represented “documents”, where Lenin “ordered” to close churches and to execute priests without mercy in   “Lenin's  instruction from May, 1st, 1919 for N 13666-2”   and how in 1939-11-11 Stalin cancelled this “Lenin's instruction” and gave orders for People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs (НКВД)  to stop persecuting believers and to release from custody already arrested priests. Igor Kurliandsky (Игорь Курляндский) claims that these documents are fabricated. («Политический журнал» №32(175), 2007-11-26) that “cancelled” document is falsification and therefore Stalin could not cancel it. ricolor.org/journal/13/istoria/3/

Lenin's instruction about struggle against priests and religion which was “cancelled”.
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Stalin’s document which “cancelled” Lenin’s instruction.
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The extract from the report of meeting of the Political bureau of the Central Committee from 11.11.39Выписка из протокола заседания политбюро ЦК от 11.11.39 г.
Religious questionsВопросы религии
Concerning to religion, attendants of Russian Orthodox Church and orthodox believers Central Committee decides:В отношении к религии, служителям Русской Православной Церкви и православно верующим ЦК постановляет:
1) To recognize as inexpedient in the future practice of PCIA USSR agency regarding arrests of attendants of Russian orthodox church, prosecution of believers.1) Признать нецелесообразным впредь практику органов НКВД СССР в части арестов служителей русской православной церкви, преследование верующих.
2) Cancel the Instruction of comrade Ulyanov (Lenin) from May, 1st, 1919 for №13666-2 "About struggle against priests and religion", addressed to AREC chairman comrade Dzerzhinsky and all the corresponding instructions AREC-JSPD-PCIA concerning prosecutions of attendants of Russian orthodox Church and orthodox believers.2) Указание товарища Ульянова (Ленина) от 1 мая 1919 года за №13666-2 "О борьбе с попами и религией", адресованных пред. ВЧК товарищу Дзержинскому и все соответствующие инструкции ВЧК-ОГПУ-НКВД, касающиеся преследования служителей русской православной Церкви и православно верующих, - отменить.
3) PCIA must make audit of the condemned and arrested citizens on the affairs, connected with serving to God activity. To release from custody and to replace punishment with not connected with imprisonment for condemned on the specified motives, if activity of these citizens has not put harm to the Soviet authority.3) НКВД произвести ревизию осужденных и арестованных граждан по делам, связанных с богослужительской деятельностью. Освободить из-под стражи и заменить наказание на не связанное с лишением свободы осужденным по указанным мотивам, если деятельность этих граждан не нанесла вреда советской власти.
4) Question about destiny of believers from other confessions, who are under arrest, CC will rise additionally.4) Вопрос о судьбе верующих, находящихся под стражей и в тюрьмах, принадлежащих иным конфессиям, ЦК вынесет решение дополнительно.
CC Secretary CC I. Stalin.Секретарь ЦК И. Сталин

This document, where Stalin forbid to destroy churches, can be also falsified.
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EXTRACT FROM the REPORT of MEETING of the POLITICAL BUREAU of the Central Committee from 1933-09-12


ВЫПИСКА ИЗ ПРОТОКОЛА ЗАСЕДАНИЯ ПОЛИТБЮРО ЦК от 12.09.33 г.


1. During from 20-30 years in Moscow and in territory of adjoining areas 150 temples are completely destroyed. 300 from them (remained) are converted to factory workshops, clubs, hostels, prisons, insulators and colonies for teenagers and homeless children.


1. В период с 20—30 годов в Москве и на территории прилегающих районов полностью уничтожено 150 храмов. 300 из них (оставшихся) переоборудованы в заводские цеха, клубы, общежития, тюрьмы, изоляторы и колонии для подростков и беспризорников.


Plans of architectural buildings intend to take down more than 500 remained structures of temples and churches.


Планы архитектурных застроек предусматривают снос более чем 500 оставшихся строений храмов и церквей.


Central Committee considers that it is impossible designing of buildings with destruction of temples and churches, what we must treat like monuments of architecture by Old Russian heritage.


На основании изложенного ЦК считает невозможным проектирование застроек за счет разрушения храмов и церквей, что следует считать памятниками архитектуры древне русского зодчества.


Agencies of the Soviet authority and militia of workers-villagers are obliged to take measures down to the disciplinary and party responsibility to protect monuments of architecture by Old Russian heritage.


Органы Советской власти и рабоче-крестьянской милиции обязаны принимать меры вплоть до дисциплинарной и партийной ответственности по охране памятников архитектуры древне русского зодчества.


CC Secretary I.Stalin.


Секретарь ЦК И. Сталин




Why Russians disliked priests.

Lenin (1970-1924) was an atheist and disliked religion and priests (as many other poor Russians). Religion and priests were prosecuted not for belief in God, but as corrupt rich class and for supporting monarchical dictatorship – Tsar, who, according to Church, was appointed by God to rule over Russia (like Emperor of Japan during WW2).

Bible:NT:Romans:13:1 "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God."

Church was against parliamentarian government system and by that government was hanged Lenin's brother. Lenin has various reasons to dislike Church, like one below.

Berlin, 08 June 2007, Interfax - German psychologist Gunter Kruse, who in recent years has been engaged in drawing up Lenin's family tree, maintains that one of the world proletariat leader's great-grandmothers was burnt at the stake as a witch. - www.interfax-religion.comhttp://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=3171/

Lenin conflicted with Stalin and tried to keep him from power because of Stalin’s cruelty. Lenin was revolutionist. He destroyed monarchy, fought to make Russia Parliamentarian State. Even now 65% Russians think that Lenin played positive role in the history of their country. 26% percent think he played a negative role, and 9% have no opinion on the matter. Why USSR didn't like church, especially after war? Church was flirting with Nazi in World War Two. Pius XI signed friendly agreement with Mussolini in 1929 and with Hitler in 1934. Fascism with Mussolini born in Vatican’s cradle - Italy. It is good that USSR government didn’t see paedophile scandals - situation could be worse. Inquisition and Crusaders did not play positive role too. Russians revenged to all, who collaborated with Nazi and fascists. Simple people didn’t know what to think. Lenin was against Church, Stalin was for Church. Stalin was very powerful, but he was only second in respectability after Lenin – Father of Revolution. Therefore even Stalin could not present himself as openly religious person, as he was successor of Lenin’s secular heritage.



Interview with Artiom Fiodorovich Sergeev (Артём Фёдорович Сергеев) who was raised in Stalin's family.

























Newspaper "ZAVTRA" №17 2006-04-26


Газета "ЗАВТРА" №17 2006-04-26

Ekaterina Glushik: Were conversations about religion at home? What was Stalin's attitude to religion: maybe, celebrated Easter?Екатерина Глушик: Велись ли дома разговоры о религии? Каким было отношение Сталина к религии: может, Пасху отмечали?
Artiom Fiodorovich Sergeev: No, we didn’t celebrate Easter and other church’s holidays. But expressions with a mention of the God in house were used. "Thank God", for example, "God forbid!" and "for God's sake" Stalin itself used quite often. I never heard of any bad word from Stalin about church and belief. I remember such case in year 1931 or 32-nd. Opposite to school, where Vasily (son of Stalin) studied, in the second Obydensk lane, there was a temple. Somehow, when there was a service, boys tried to shoot from "frighter" near it. Vasily did not participate in that and told about this to the father. The father (Stalin) asks: "What for they did this? They are prayers and do not disturb your study. Why do you disturb pray for them?" He asked Vasily further: "Do you love and respect your grandmother?" He (Vasily) answers professedly: "Yes, very much, thus she - your mum." Stalin speaks: "She prays too." Vasily: "Why?" The father answers him: "Because she, maybe, knows what you do not know."Артём Фёдорович Сергеев: Нет, ни Пасхи, ни других праздников церковных не отмечали. А выражения с упоминанием бога дома употреблялись. "Слава богу", например, "Не дай бог!" и "Ради бога" Сталин сам нередко говорил. Я никогда не слышал от Сталина ни одного плохого слова в адрес церкви и веры. Помню, такой случай году в 1931 или 32-м. Напротив школы, где учился Василий, во втором Обыденском переулке, был храм. Как-то, когда там шла служба, мальчишки возле пробовали стрелять из пугача. Василий в этом участия не принимал, а рассказывал отцу об этом. Отец спрашивает: "Зачем они это делали? Они же, молящиеся, вам учиться не мешают. Почему же вы им мешаете молиться?" Далее спросил Василия: "Ты бабушку любишь, уважаешь?" Тот отвечает, мол, да, очень, ведь это — твоя мама. Сталин говорит: "Она тоже молится". Василий: "Почему?" Отец отвечает ему: "Потому что она, может, знает то, чего ты не знаешь".
Stalin knew questions of religion well, he had many books, including concerning histories of religion. And he wrote important works on this theme. For example, in article "Against destruction of temples" he speaks, that temples are monuments of culture of our Native land, to destroy them is it to destroy monuments of culture. In article "About prohibition of prosecution for belief" he speaks about necessity to stop prosecutions of people for belief and to let out clerics from prisons if behind them there are no criminal offences.Сам Сталин хорошо знал вопросы религии, книг у него было немало, в том числе по вопросам и истории религии. И сам он писал важные работы на эту тему. Например, в статье "Против разрушения храмов" он говорит, что храмы — это памятники культуры нашей Родины, разрушать их — это разрушать памятники культуры. В статье "О запрещении преследования за веру" он говорит о необходимости прекратить преследования людей за веру и выпустить священнослужителей из тюрем, если за ними нет уголовных преступлений.
I was on Stalin's funeral from and to, and among the people who come to say goodbye to him, there were many church attendants. They in their attires passed by a coffin and maked the sign of the cross.Я был на похоронах Сталина "от и до", и среди людей, пришедших с ним попрощаться, было немало церковных служителей. Они в своих одеяниях проходили мимо гроба и крестились.



Stalin went to Kremlin’s Church.

Juri Solovjev (Юрий Соловьёв) (Stalin’s personal guard for 10 years) claimed that during World War Two Stalin went to Kremlin’s Church. (French, Austrian, Germany and Russian documentary "Inside the Kremlin: In the Heart of Russia" by Thomas Schreiber / 2005, NDR Television in cooperation with Channel 1 Russia). It could be between years 1939 and 1945.



According to Stalin's grandson Alexander Burdonsky, Stalin confessed.









Moskovsky Komsomolets number 25303 on March 17, 2010 E. Svetlova, "Stainless Stalin"

Alexander Burdonsky: “Stalin was a very clever man, he knew and understood what to do. It was interesting for me also to understand, what he was thinking, when he sat for hours at night in a chair and looked out the window, which faced the woods. What kind of thoughts went through him, why he wanted to confess? There was a confession. The priest was interrogated under Khrushchev with terrible force, but he said nothing.”


Московский Комсомолец № 25303 от 17 марта 2010 г. Светлова Е. "Нержавеющий Сталин"

Александр Бурдонский: "Сталин был очень умным человеком, он хорошо знал и понимал, что делает. Мне было бы интересно понять, что он думал, когда часами сидел ночью в кресле и смотрел в окно, которое выходило на лес. Какие мысли он перебирал? Почему он захотел исповедаться? Ведь исповедь была. Священника трясли при Хрущеве со страшной силой, но он ничего не сказал."




Stalin attended Temple of All Saints to pray.













Newspaper "Moscow Falcon" №1(77) 2005-01-??; Sofia Pavlova "Only Church, visited by Stalin ..."


Газета «Московский Сокол» №1(77) 2005-01-??; София Павлова «Единственный храм, где бывал Сталин…»

Тhe head of the Temple of All Saints Michael Aleksandrovich Rodin: "Joseph Vissarionovich come during war in our temple to pray. And even today there are parishioners alive - a few very older persons, who remember this fact and saw Stalin themselves. Stalin, as tell, came to a temple three times and stood long, facing to two icons, - Nikolay Chudotvorets and Kazan Divine Mother. Joseph Vissarionovich has not stood all service, his visits last 15-20 minutes."Староста Храма Всех Святых Михаил Александрович Родин: "Сам Иосиф Виссарионович заезжал во время войны в наш храм помолиться. У нас и сегодня живы прихожане - несколько очень пожилых людей, которые помнят этот факт и сами видели Сталина. Сталин, как рассказывают, приезжал в храм трижды и подолгу стоял перед двумя иконами - Николая Чудотворца и Казанской Божьей Матери. Всю службу Иосиф Виссарионович не выстаивал, его визиты длились минут по 15-20."



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In 1942-1943 Stalin started to organze meetings with priests and initiated reopening of churches, seminaries, academies, publishing of religious magazines in "bolshevistic speed" (as quick as possible) (Сталин: "А нельзя ли проявить большевистские темпы?") and promised full support. There are some documented speeches from these meetings:





















M.I.Odincov "Russian patriarchs of XX century" year 1994, №34 note of G.G.Karpov about Russian patriarchs welcome by J.V.Stalin 286 page


Одинцов М.И. "Русские патриархи ХХ века." 1994 год, №34 записка Г.Г.Карпова о приеме И.В.Сталиным иерархов Русской Православной Церкви стр. 286

Comrade Stalin told: Well, as you want, this is your business, and if you want theological class, begin with them, but the Government will not have objections and against opening seminaries and academies."Тов. Сталин сказал: "Ну, как хотите, это дело ваше, а если хотите богословские курсы, начинайте с них, но Правительство не будет иметь возражений и против открытия семинарий и академий."
Comrade Stalin told, that the church can count on comprehensive support of the Government in all questions connected with its organizational strengthening and development inside USSR, and that, as he spoke about the organization of spiritual educational institutions, not objecting to opening of seminaries in dioceses, so there can not be obstacles and to opening managements of candle factories at eparchial and other manufactures."Тов. Сталин сказал, что церковь может рассчитывать на всестороннюю поддержку Правительства во всех вопросах, связанных с ее организационным укреплением и развитием внутри СССР, и что, как он говорил об организации духовных учебных заведений, не возражая против открытия семинарий в епархиях, так не может быть препятствий и к открытию при епархиальных управлениях свечных заводов и других производств."
Then, addressing to me, Stalin told: It is necessary to provide the right for bishop to dispose church's sums (money). There is no need to do obstacles for the organization of seminaries, candle factories, etc."Затем, обращаясь ко мне, т. Сталин сказал: лин сказал: "Надо обеспечить право архиерея распоряжаться церковными суммами. Не надо делать препятствий к организации семинарий, свечных заводов и т. д."



Stalin's marks in books.

English historian Simon Sebag Montefiore studied Stalin’s hobbies, personal library, what Stalin liked to read, what kind of marks he left in his books. He found that Stalin liked to quote long quotes from the Bible. Stalin left such mark about God in the book “Last pages. Dialogues under a rose.” by Anatole France: ”Don‘t know traces, don‘t see. There is no Him for them.” ("Следов не знают, не видят. Его для них нет."). It seems, like Stalin thought that he knew God’s traces and saw God, not like others.



Antireligious literature for Stalin is waste-paper.









M.V.Shkarovskii "Russian Orthodox Church under Stalin and Khruschev" p. 201

Before war, selecting library for a summer residence, Stalin has attributed for executors: "Please, no any antireligious waste-paper!". Absolutely authentically it is known, for example, that Stalin from time to time liked to quote the Bible.


М.В.Шкаровский "Русская Православная Церковь при Сталине и Хрущеве" с. 201

Перед войной, подбирая библиотеку для дачи, Сталин приписал для сведения исполнителей: «Прошу, чтобы не было никакой атеистической макулатуры!». Совершенно достоверно известно, например, что Сталин временами любил цитировать Библию.










Photocopy in magazine "New and contemporary history" (historian B.S.Ilizarov).

"A note to the librarian. My advice (and request):
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3) All the others (books) to assort by authors, having put aside: any textbooks, small magazines, antireligious waste-paper, etc. I.Stalin".


Фотокопия в журнале «Новая и новейшая история» (историк Б.С.Илизаров).

«Записка библиотекарю. Мой совет (и просьба):
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3) Все остальные склассифицировать по авторам, отложив в сторону: учебники всякие, мелкие журналы, антирелигиозную макулатуру и т.п. И. Сталин».




Stalin’s friends and comrades talk about Stalin.





























One hundred and forty conversations with Molotov: from diary of F.Chuev 1991 ISBN 5-85255-042-6


Сто сорок бесед с Молотовым: Из дневника Ф. Чуева 1991 ISBN 5-85255-042-6

Felix Ivanovich Chuev: The chief marshal of aviation A.E.Golovanov spoke to me, that after rout of Germans near Moscow Stalin told: "Allow us God to finish this war in 1946". [p. 31]Феликс Иванович Чуев: Главный маршал авиации А.Е. Голованов говорил мне, что после разгрома немцев под Москвой Сталин сказал: «Дай бог нам эту войну закончить в 1946 году». [c. 31]
Shota Ivanovich Kvantaliani: Why even Molotov? Even Stalin, even Voroshilov and Molotov - three sang! All of us were choristers in church. Both - Stalin, and Voroshilov, and I. In different places, of course. Stalin - in Tbilisi, Voroshilov - in Lugansk, I - in the Nolinsk. (...) So we three sang. "Let your pray will come to fruition… " - and so on. Very good music, church singing [p. 123]Шота Иванович Кванталиани: Почему даже Молотов? Даже Сталин, даже Ворошилов и Молотов трое пели! Мы все трое были певчими в церкви. И Сталин, и Ворошилов, и я. В разных местах, конечно. Сталин – в Тбилиси, Ворошилов – в Луганске, я – в своем Нолинске. (...) Вот мы трое пели. «Да исправится молитва твоя…» – и так далее. Очень хорошая музыка, пение церковное. [c. 123]
Felix Ivanovich Chuev: Our commanders told me, that Stalin before battle, addressing, usually spoke: "Well, give the God!", or "Well, help the Lord! ". And writer Vladimir Soloukhin, who served during war in the Kremlin, told: "Joseph Vissarionovich went out on a porch. At the left - patriarch Aleksy, on the right…" - "Probably, Molotov?" - I have asked. - "...Metropolitan Krutitsky and Kolomna," - without blinking answered Vladimir Alekseevich. - "And why are you laughing? He (Stalin) respected priests. Seminar education affected..." [p. 269-270] Феликс Иванович Чуев: Мне наши полководцы рассказывали, что Сталин перед [c. 269] сражением, напутствуя, обычно говорил: «Ну, дай бог!», или «Ну, помоги господь!». А писатель Владимир Солоухин, служивший во время войны в Кремле, рассказывал: «Выходит на крыльцо Иосиф Виссарионович. По левую руку – патриарх Алексий, по правую…» – «Наверно, Молотов?» – спросил я. «Митрополит Крутицкий и Коломенский, – не моргнув, ответил Владимир Алексеевич. – А что ты смеешься? Он попов уважал. Сказывалось семинарское образование…» [c. 270]
Vyacheslav Mikhaylovich Molotov: It is necessary to say, Stalin also was not the militant atheist. Certainly, first of all, he was the revolutionist and continued Lenin's line against popovschina*. [p. 269]Вячеслав Михайлович Молотов:вич Молотов: Надо сказать, и Сталин не был воинственным безбожником. Конечно, прежде всего, он был революционером и продолжал линию Ленина против поповщины. [с. 269]
*The Popovtsy or Popovschina ("priestist people") - one of the two principal movements (along with the Bespopovtsy "priestless people") was formed by the end of the 17th century in Russia. The Popovtsy recognized priesthood and created their own ecclesiastical structure, which later broke into a number of movements. The Popovtsy represented the more moderate conservative opposition, which strove to continue religious and church life as it had existed before the reforms of Nikon. They recognized ordained priests from the new style Russian Orthodox church who joined the Old Believers and denounced the Nikonian reforms. The Popovtsy were hostile towards the October Revolution of 1917.

The Bespopovtsy or Bespopovschina ("priestless people") rejected "the World" where Antichrist reigned; they preached, asceticism, adherence to the old rituals and the old faith. The Bespopovtsy claimed that the true church of Christ had ceased to exist on Earth, and they therefore renounced priests and all sacraments except baptism. Bespopovtsy have no priests and no eucharist.
 









Alexander Mikhailovich Orlov
"The Secret History of Stalin's Crimes"

"Somehow he (Pavel Alliluev – brother of Stalin’s wife) mentioned that Stalin, drunken from vodka, started to sing spiritual-religious hymns."


Александр Михайлович Орлов
"Тайная история сталинских преступлений"

"Он (Павел Аллилуев) как-то упомянул о том, что Сталин, опьянев от водки, начинал распевать духовные гимны."














I.V.Stalin, А.А.Zhdanov, V.M.Molotov
Conversation with S.M.Eisenstein and N.K.Tcherkasov concerning a film "Ivan the Terrible" on 1947-02-26

Source: I.V.Stalin - Writings; Т.18; Tver: Information-publishing center "Union", 2006. p. 433–440

Stalin: Certainly, we are not very good Christians, but to deny a progressive role of Christianity at a certain stage it is impossible. This event had very large value, because it was a turn of Russian state to merge with the West, instead of orientation to the East. (p. 435)


И.В.Сталин, А.А.Жданов, В.М.Молотов
Беседа с С.М.Эйзенштейном и Н.К.Черкасовым по поводу фильма «Иван Грозный» 26 февраля 1947 года

Источник: И.В.Сталин - Cочинения; Т.18; Тверь: Информационно-издательский центр «Союз», 2006; p. 433–440.

Сталин: Конечно, мы не очень хорошие христиане, но отрицать прогрессивную роль христианства на определенном этапе нельзя. Это событие имело очень крупное значение, потому что это был поворот русского государства на смыкание с Западом, а не ориентация на Восток. (c. 435)

Conversation comes to an end, when Stalin wishes success and speaks: "May god help you!" (p. 440)Разговор кончается тем, что Сталин желает успеха и говорит: «Помогай бог (c. 440)



Stalin was proud, that Georgia accepted Orthodoxy earlier, than Russia.













WAR, CHURCH, STALIN AND THE GREAT PRAYER BOOK FOR ORTHODOX RUSSIA, METROPOLITAN OF LEBANESE MOUNTAINS ILIA (KARAM). Sergey FOMIN 2003-03-21


ВОЙНА, ЦЕРКОВЬ, СТАЛИН И ВЕЛИКИЙ МОЛИТВЕННИК ЗА РУСЬ ПРАВОСЛАВНУЮ, МИТРОПОЛИТ ГОР ЛИВАНСКИХ ИЛИЯ (КАРАМ). Сергей ФОМИН 2003-03-21

Absolutely authentically it is known, for example, that Stalin from time to time liked to quote the Bible. Happened, even before the nearest environment (certainly, before those who could appreciate this somehow) Stalin "was proud", that Georgia accepted Orthodoxy much earlier, than Russia. (...). A.I.Mikoyan (1895-1978), who entered into the nearest environment of Stalin, was also from seminarists: he finished Tbilisi theological seminary in 1916, studied in spiritual academy.Совершенно достоверно известно, например, что Сталин временами любил цитировать Библию. Бывало, даже перед ближайшим окружением (разумеется, перед теми, кто мог это хоть в какой-то мере оценить) "гордился", что Грузия приняла православие много раньше, чем Россия. (...). Входивший в ближайшее окружение И. В. Сталина А. И. Микоян (1895-1978) был также из семинаристов: в 1916 г. он окончил Тифлисскую духовную семинарию, учился в духовной академии.





















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Dmitry Petrovich Savchenko (military journalist) - "Civil "marshal Zhukov" of The Great Victory", 2005-04-08 "The Independent Newspaper"


Дмитрий Петрович Савченко (военный журналист) - "Гражданский "маршал Жуков" Великой Победы", 2005-04-08 "Независимая газета"


Letter to Aleksey Kosygin (1948-10-22)

C.(omrade) Kosygin! Gifts from lord-God are sent to you (I am an executor of His will). It would be necessary to send more, but there is shortage in reserve. Pay attention to fish, - it is called "whitefish". Good, (people) speak, fish.


Письмо Алексею Косыгину (1948-10-22)

Т. Косыгин! Посылаются Вам дары от господа-Бога (я - исполнитель его воли). Надо бы послать больше, да в резерве нехватка. Обратите внимание на рыбу, - называется она "белорыбица". Хорошая, говорят, рыба.

Greetings! Stalin.Привет! Сталин.



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Stalin "hated" religion so much, that in 1951-06-27 he gave "Stalin’s Prize" to English clergyman Hewlett Johnson. Various prizes under Stalin and Soviet authority received and other priests.



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Stalin's "pure atheistic" funeral. Honorary guard of priests near Stalin's coffin.









Documentary film "How Stalin died", 2008, Russia, director Sergey Kostin, presenter Armen Djigarkhanyan,

"Farewells with Stalin were organized in temples too. The first requiem for family was in church of Resurrection of Slovushchy on Filippovsky street. It was ordered by Vasily Stalin. The second was official in the Elohovsky Cathedral, served by patriarch Aleksy himself. Requiems for communistic leaders in Soviet Union churches were served never before."


Документальный фильм "Как умер Сталин", 2008, Россия, режиссер Сергей Костин, ведущий Армен Джигарханян.

"Со Сталиным прощались и в храмах. Первая заупокойная служба в церкви Воскресения Словущего в Филипповском переулке была семейной. Ее заказал Василий Сталин. Вторая была официальной в Елоховском Кафедральном соборе и отслужил ее сам патриарх Алексий. Никогда до этого ни в одной церкви Советского Союза не служили панихиды по коммунистическим вождям."






























From speech of the most holy patriarch of Moscow and all Russia Aleksii before requiem on I.V.Stalin, told in the patriarchal cathedral in day of Stalin's funeral (1953-03-09).


Из речи святейшего патриаха Московского и всея Руси Алексия перед панихидой по И.В.Сталине, сказаная в патриаршем соборе в день его похорон (9.03.1953 г.).

"(...) We, who gathered for a pray about him, can not pass with silence his always benevolent, sympathizing attitude to our church needs. Any question, with which we addressed to him, has not been rejected by him; he satisfied all our requests. And a lot of good and useful, thanks to his high authority, has been done for our Church by our Government."(...) Мы же, собравшись для молитвы о нем, не можем пройти молчанием его всегда благожелательного, участливого отношения к нашим церковным нуждам. Ни один вопрос, с которым бы мы к нему ни обращались, не был им отвергнут; он удовлетворял все наши просьбы. И много доброго и полезного, благодаря его высокому авторитету, сделано для нашей Церкви нашим Правительством.
Memory of him for us is unforgettable, and our Russian Orthodox Church, mourning over his leaving from us, escorting him to last way, "in a way of all word", with a hot pray.Память о нем для нас незабвенна, и наша Русская Православная Церковь, оплакивая его уход от нас, провожает его в последний путь, "в путь всея земли", горячей молитвой.
In these sad for us days, from different directions of our Fatherland from bishops, clergy and believers, and from from Heads and representatives of Churches, as orthodox and heterodox, from abroad, I receive mass of telegrams which are informing about prays about him and condoling with us on the occasion of this sad loss for us. We prayed for him when the message about his heavy illness has come. And now, when there is no more him, we pray for the world of his immortal soul.В эти печальные для нас дни со всех сторон нашего Отечества от архиереев, духовенства и верующих, и из-за границы от Глав и представителей Церквей, как православных, так и инославных, я получаю множество телеграмм, в которых сообщается о молитвах о нем и выражается нам соболезнование по случаю этой печальной для нас утраты. Мы молились о нем, когда пришла весть об его тяжкой болезни. И теперь, когда его не стало, мы молимся о мире его бессмертной души.
Yesterday our special delegation, composed from high ordained metropolitan Nikolay; the representative of the episcopate, clergy and believers of Siberia of the archbishop Palladium; the representative of the episcopate, clergy and believers of Ukraine of archbishop Nikona and archpriest Nikolay, has placed a wreath to his coffin and has bowed on behalf of Russian Orthodox Church to his dear body-remains.Вчера наша особая делегация в составе Высокопреосвященного митрополита Николая; представителя епископата, духовенства и верующих Сибири архиепископа Палладия; представителя епископата, духовенства и верующих Украины архиепископа Никона и протопресвитера о. Николая, возложила венок к его гробу и поклонилась от лица Русской Православной Церкви его дорогому праху.
The pray, fulfilled with Christian love, reaches the God. We believe, as our pray about deceased will be heard by the Lord. And to our loved and unforgettable Joseph Vissarionovich we devoutly, with deep, passionate love proclaim eternal memory."Молитва, преисполненная любви христианской, доходит до Бога. Мы веруем, что и наша молитва о почившем будет услышана Господом. И нашему возлюбленному и незабвенному Иосифу Виссарионовичу мы молитвенно, с глубокой, горячей любовью возглашаем вечную память."



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So, Stalin’s love to religion was not just right before his death, but started much earlier. Some people say, that Stalin revived religion just because Hitler in Germany planed to attack Russia (therefore it is strange, why Stalin didn’t believe, that Germany attacked USSR borders for some time after attack happened and argued that it is just propaganda by enemies). Or, maybe, he told stories of Christ to his daughter Svetlana because he afraid of Hitler too? But even if so... it seems, that Stalin understood power of religion and... if you want to send people to death ant kill others... the best help for that purpose can provide... religion. When people know, that Heaven is waiting for them after death, - they can die with smile on their face. For positive contribution to religion and recreation of church in Russia, some groups even started initiative to declare Stalin as saint.



Stalin, Evolution and Grigory Glurdzhidze.

It is necessary to say, that religion often perverts understanding of Evolution by claiming, that survives "the strongest, the ruthlesst, the cruellest" and so on... by putting in the heads of people such understanding of "real" laws of life. In reality... during Evolution survive beings with characteristics best-suited for their environment. Therefore, if in society is more appreciable honesty, decency, usefulness - society will care more about person, who has such characteristics, and therefore such person will have better chances of survival.

Stalin spoke about God and Evolution with his friend Grigory Glurdzhidze during summer holidays, when they both were 13 years old (1892-6...8-??, 4-th class of Gori Church School).

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"Memorable years". G.Glurzhidze (magazine "Godless" N4 1938)

Joseph comprehended that "Something" better than others. If my memory doesn't fail me, conversation, about which I want to tell, took place, when Joseph and I were thirteen years old.
During summer holidays, having come back to Gori from native village Vershueti, I have visited Joseph, and we went to walk on street. Have passed the bridge over Kuru river, have passed over the railway and have settled down on a green lawn.
Young, yet not tempted in life, we liked to talk about abstract themes. I have started talking about God. Joseph listened to me and after minute of silence has answered:
- You know, we are deceived, god doesn't exist...
These words have surprised me. I didn't hear such words f
rom anybody.
- Soso, what do you say?!
- I will give you to read the book, from which you will see, that the world and all life are arranged absolutely differently and conversations about God is an empty talk, - Joseph has told.
- Which book is this? - I'm interested.
- Darwin. Necessarily read it, - instructively answered Joseph.


"Памятные годы". Г.Глуржидзе (журнал "Безбожник" N4 1938 год)

Иосиф лучше других постигал это “Что-то”. Если память мне не изменяет, беседа, о которой я хочу рассказать, имела место, когда Иосифу и мне было по тринадцати лет.
Во время летних каникул, возвратившись в Гори из родного села Вершуети, я навестил Иосифа, и мы вышли гулять на улицу. Прошли мост через Куру, перешли за полотно железной дороги и расположились на зеленой лужайке.
Молодые, еще не искушенные в жизни, мы любили беседовать на отвлеченные темы. Я заговорил о боге. Иосиф слушал меня и после минутного молчания ответил:
- Знаешь, нас обманывают, бога не существует...
Эти слова удивили меня. Ни от кого еще я не слышал таких слов.
- Сосо, что ты говоришь?!
- Я дам тебе прочесть книгу, из которой ты увидишь, что мир и вся жизнь устроены совсем по-иному и разговоры о боге пустая болтовня, - сказал Иосиф.
- Какая это книга? - заинтересовался я.
- Дарвин. Обязательно прочти, - наставительно ответил Иосиф.


Yes, it is anti-religious speech (as about Stalin told G.Glurdzhidze). But it seems, that Darwin’s book had not LONG LASTING impact on Stalin. Even Pope in Vatican officially accepted Darwin’s theory of Evolution and admitted, that it does not contradict Christianity. It looks, that later Stalin found some similar solution between Evolution and Christianity as Pope ...maybe, with help of other believers. Because after this speech in 1892, Stalin (as an "atheist"?) continued to go to Gori Church School and finished it with honours in 1894-06-??. Therefore he was recommended to enter into the Tbilisi Priest Seminary and entered it in 1894-09-01 ...till 1899-07-29. Stalin started as good student in Seminary also. In the first year he took 8-th place in class, in the second year he took even higher 5-th place. Only in third year Stalin started to have problems and dropped to 16-th place. Also, Stalin entered Seminary against his father’s wish:









Alexander Ostrovsky - "Who was behind Stalin? " 2002 (page 103 and photo 11)

Seminarian Joseph Dzhugashvili wrote in his petition to rector Serafim on August 28 in 1895:

“My father does not support me with parental custody for three years already, as a punishment for I continued education not in accordance with his wish... (...) ... Therefore, I recourse again at Your Reverence’s feet and ask humbly to help me by accepting me under full government expense, how you will do the greatest mercy.”


Александр Островский – «Кто стоял за спиной Сталина? » 2002 (с. 103 и фото 11)

В прошении на имя ректора Серафима семинарист Иосиф Джугашвили 28 августа 1895 года пишет:

«Отец мой уже три года не оказывает мне отцовского попечения в наказание за то, что я не по его желанию продолжил образование… (...) ...Посему я вторично прибегаю к стопам Вашего Высокопреподобия и прошу покорнейше оказать мне помощь принятием на полный казённый счёт, чем окажете величайшую милость»


Stalin’s permanent behaviour and personal notes later show that he was not an atheist, but believer or returned to belief in God. Maybe Stalin’s temporary atheistic behaviour was influenced by events few month before (1892-02-13), when he expressed his believe in God and justice:









Evgenie Mironov, "Gen-Secretary-traitor" 2008

On 1892-02-13 the crowd has gathered at a scaffold, where the public execution of two criminals was arranged. Was considered that “the execution show should inspire feeling of inevitability of punishment, fear of a crime”. Peter Kapanadze - the pupil of Gorijsky church school - remembered: “Teachers considered that it will inspire sensation of fear and humility to youth. But picture of execution has even more strengthened in us discontent for regime, which reigned in spiritual school. We were terribly suppressed by this scene of execution, eyes were dimmed by tears. There was young Joseph Dzhugashvili with us together. We hotly discussed events of this day. Sermons of spiritual school teachers, a precept "don't kill" and all similar things didn't correspond in any way in our representation... with a public execution of two peasants, nicknamed as robbers, with a figure of the priest, escorting the condemned. During execution rope broke, but they hung up him in the second time”.

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Execution was widely discussed in city and in student's environment. – Like, by all canons, being guided by a commandment – don't kill, the cleric should prevent not pleasant for God act, but priest betrayed two peasants, gathered crowd and God. - This execution has convinced Joseph once again that infringement of Christian commandments – ordinary phenomenon.


Евгений Миронов, "Генсек-предатель" 2008

13.02.1892 г. толпа собралась у помоста, где устраивалась публичная казнь двух преступников. Считалось, что «зрелище казни должно внушать чувство неотвратимости возмездия, боязнь преступления». Петр Капанадзе - учащийся Горийского духовного училища - вспоминал: «Преподаватели считали, что это внушит молодежи чувство страха и покорность. Но картина казни еще более укрепила в нас недовольство тем режимом, который царил в духовном училище. Мы были страшно подавлены сценой казни, глаза застилали слезы. С нами вместе был юный Иосиф Джугашвили. Мы горячо обсуждали события этого дня. Проповеди учителей духовного училища, заповедь «не убий» и все подобное никак не увязывалось в нашем представлении с публичной казнью двух крестьян, прозванных разбойниками, с фигурой священника, сопровождавшего осужденных. Во время казни оборвалась веревка, но повесили во второй раз».

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Казнь широко обсуждалась и в городе и в ученической среде. – Вроде бы, по всем канонам, руководствуясь заповедью – не убий, священнослужитель должен бы воспрепятствовать не богоугодному деянию, но священник ПРЕДАЛ и двух крестьян и собравшуюся толпу и Бога. - Иосифа данная казнь лишний раз убедила, что нарушение христианских заповедей – обыденное явление.









G.Razmadze: “It was, apparently, in 1892. Policemen caught three ossetins, robbing in Gori district. Public execution was appointed on the coast of Liahvy river. (...). This terrible picture made on us, children, painful impression. Coming back from the execution place, we began to discuss, what will happen with hanged in the next world. Whether they will be fried on slow fire. Soso Dzhugashvili has resolved our doubts: They - he told thoughtfully - already were punished, and it will be unfair for God to punish them again.Г.Размадзе: “Было, это, кажется, в 1892 году. Стражники поймали трех осетин, разбойничавших в Горийском уезде. На берегу Лиахвы назначена была публичная казнь. (...). Эта жуткая картина произвела на нас, детей, самое тяжелое впечатление. Возвращаясь с места казни, мы стали обсуждать, что будет с повешенными на том свете. Будут ли их жарить на медленном огне. Сосо Джугашвили разрешил наши сомнения: Они, - сказал он, задумавшись, - уже понесли наказание, и будет несправедливо со стороны Бога наказывать их опять.



Why Stalin was so cruel? Violent father, Church School and Priest’s Seminary formed his view to the World and how he can treat it. This had impact on his actions:








I.V.Stalin remembered:From the protest against a humiliating regime and Jesuit methods which were in seminary, I was ready to become and really became the revolutionist, the supporter of Marxism (author's note: NOT Atheism!), as really revolutionary doctrine."И.В. Сталин вспоминал: "Из протеста против издевательского режима и иезуитских методов, которые имелись в семинарии, я готов был стать и действительно стал революционером, сторонником марксизма, как действительно революционного учения."

So, we can thank Priest’s Seminary and its inhuman regime for Stalin who he was.



Stalin about Evolution and God.

On one meeting later (1924) Stalin told that it is not enough to explain, how nature works, to prove that God does not exists. Maybe inside he felt the same about Darwin's book:













Meeting of secretaries of rural cells at Central Committee RKP(6)66; 1924-10-22, I.Stalin


Совещание секретарей деревенских ячеек при ЦК РКП(б)66; 22 октября 1924 г., И.Сталин

Stalin: “Some comrades sometimes consider peasants as philosophers-materialists, believing, that it is enough to read lecture on natural sciences to convince the peasant in none existence of the God. They do not understand often, that the peasant looks at the God economically, i.e. the peasant is not opposed to turn away from the God sometimes, but he is torned apart with doubts often: “and who knows, maybe the God really exists; therefore it may be better to satisfy both - the communist and the God, for it will be more reliable for a farm.”Сталин: "Иногда некоторые товарищи рассматривают крестьян как философов-материалистов, полагая, что стоит прочесть лекцию по естествознанию, чтобы убедить мужика в несуществований бога. Они не понимают часто, что мужик смотрит на бога по-хозяйски, т.е. мужик иногда не прочь бы отвернуться от бога, но его часто раздирают сомнения: "а кто его знает, может, бог и в самом деле существует; не лучше ли будет ублаготворить и коммуниста, и бога, чтобы надежнее было для хозяйства."



Stalin and son of clergyman.

There is a story, presented by Igor Kurliandsky, how son of clergyman George Elisabedashvili's urinated on icon in old church (this event could take place during Seminary years). Stalin’s role in this story was double-edged.

Especially, if to take in to account, that (according to his daughter Svetlana) on a wall of Stalin’s suburban Kuntsev residence, where he lived and died, hung an orthodox icon, to which he pointed with hand and his last word before death  was "God" (documentary “Stalin - Death of the leader”, 2003, NTV, director Valery Udovydchenkov (документальный фильм “Сталин - Смерть вождя”, 2003, НТВ, режиссер Валерий Удовыдченков)).









Igor Kurliandsky “In God and saints he didn't believe since the childhood… How the son of the shoemaker instead of servant of Church becomes its enemy”
Political magazine. 2007-06-04 / 106-111 p.

George Elisabedashvili: “We both entered old church and examined everything well. Comrade Soso (Stalin), having seen on a wall some icon, probably, someone hung up, has told: “Ugh, look, and this jade is here. ...What to do, George?” I, for delight, tore the icon from the wall at once, crushed it with feet and sprinkled “water” on it. Soso (Stalin) asks: “Listen, you are not afraid of God, what it is with you?” I have laughed, and he clapped me (on a shoulder) and told: “You are right”. “When I was ruined on exam, Soso mocked me: “Maybe this icon busted you?”


Игорь Курляндский «В Бога и святых он не верил с детства... Как сын сапожника вместо служителя Церкви стал ее врагом»
Политический журнал. 2007-06-04 / с. 106-111

Георгий Елисабедашвили: «Мы оба вошли в старую церковь и все хорошо осмотрели. Товарищ Сосо, увидев на стенке какую-то икону, видимо, кем-то повешенную, сказал: «Ого, смотри, и эта кляча здесь. ...Что сделать, Георгий?» Я сразу на трапезу, сорвал со стены икону, растоптал ногами и обрызгал «водой». Сосо спрашивает: «Слушай, не боишься Бога, что это с тобой?» Я засмеялся, а он похлопал (по плечу) и сказал: «Ты прав». «Когда меня срезали на экзамене, Сосо подшучивал: «Не эта ли икона помешала тебе?»




Stalin loved to invoke God in his personal speeches.












"Afraid of God, Ignulov, and don‘t mix Marxist explanation of interaction with clerical explanation." - "Pravda" №102,10 1923-05-29, I.V.Stalin"Побойтесь бога, Ингулов, и не смешивайте марксистского истолкования взаимодействия с истолкованием канцелярским." - "Правда" №102,10 1923-05-29, И.В.Сталин
"It is not without reason told, that God takes brains from whom He dooms to die". - Speech on 5-th All-Union conference of A-ULYCL 1927-03-29, I.V.Stalin "Недаром сказано, что кого бог обрекает на гибель, того он лишает разума." - Речь на V всесоюзной конференции ВЛКСМ 1927-03-29, И.В.Сталин

These Stalin's quotes shows, that religious education escorted Stalin all his life and influenced his later decisions. Of course, there were some Stalin‘s negative sentences about religion, as Hitler criticized religion sometimes too. Even Mother Teresa had doubts about religion. But Stalin’s strong patronage of religion and historical facts, witness of his fellows, family members and priests... does not make him the leader of all atheists. I don’t know many atheists who fought so hard for resurrection of religion and even went to church to pray as Stalin did. I can not imagine person, like Richard Dawkins, acting this way in the name of ...atheism.



USSR was not so "atheistic" in reality as in theory.

USSR was "pure atheistic" just on paper. For example, even after Emelian Yaroslavsky’s "Godless quinquennium" (atheism.ru/library/Firsov_1.phtml) in USSR's 1937 year census about religion answered 80%, from which 56.7% (55.3 millions) indicated themselves as believers and 43.3% (42.2 millions) as unbelievers - still minority (krotov.info/history/20/1930/1937_zher.htm). I suspect that there were more believers, because records shows, that people, who denied answering that question, were mostly from various sects and, as I suspect myself, maybe who afraid to admit that they were believers, because there was some intolerance to religion from the past. You can imagine what amount of believers was in 1917 Socialist Revolution time. Yaroslavsky and his military-atheistic movement "Godless" ("Безбожники") was popular between 1932 and 1937, but his movement collapsed and his organization atrophied. And under Stalin’s order he even was forced to write article "Why religious people are against Hitler" ("Почему религиозные люди против Гитлера"). After death of notorious "the fighter with heavens" E.Jaroslavskii (1943-12-04), created by him "The Central Museum of History and Atheism" has been deprived premises, by passing building to cartoon's film-studio "Multfilm" ("Мультфильм").



Stalin's main sidekicks were also believers.











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Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria (Лаврeнтий Пaвлович Бeрия) (1899-1953) - chief of the Soviet security and secret police apparatus under Stalin, also could be believer. His son Sergo Beria wrote about his father:
Sergo Beria. My father - Lavrentiy Beria
CHAPTER 1. THE BEGINNING OF THE WAY


I still will return to memoirs about our family for now and would like to tell about the father a little. He was born on March, 17th (30), 1899. Dreamed of architecture and was good artist itself. I remember one story already, connected with my childhood. I didn't become the believing person, though with deep respect I concern religion. And then, the boy, I was the militant atheist and once have broken an icon. Ridiculously, certainly, to speak about any MY belief, most likely, it was result of the education received at school. In a word, grandmother Martha was very disappointed. She was the believer and till the end of life helped both to church and parishioners. Having come back from work, my father condemned my atheistic heat and... has drawn a new icon. I have remembered that conversation for a long time. "It is necessary to be respectful to another's belief".
Серго Берия. Мой отец - Лаврентий Берия
ГЛАВА 1. НАЧАЛО ПУТИ


Я еще вернусь к воспоминаниям о нашей семье, а пока хотел бы немного рассказать об отце. Родился он 17 (30) марта 1899 года. Мечтал об архитектуре и сам был хорошим художником. Вспоминаю одну историю, связанную уже с моим детством. Верующим человеком я так и не стал, хотя с глубоким уважением отношусь к религии. А тогда, мальчишкой, я был воинствующим безбожником и однажды разбил икону. Смешно, разумеется, говорить о каких-то убеждениях, скорее всего это стало результатом воспитания, полученного в школе. Словом, бабушка Марта была очень огорчена. Она была верующая и до конца жизни помогала и церкви и прихожанам. Возвратившись с работы, отец остудил мой атеистический пыл и... нарисовал новую икону. Тот разговор я запомнил надолго. "К чужим убеждениям надо относиться с уважением".







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Aleksandr Mikhaylovich Vasilevsky (Алексaндр Михaйлович Василeвский) (1895-1977), son of priest (as his mother was daughter of priest too) - Chief of the General Staff of the Soviet Armed Forces and Deputy Minister of Defense during World War II, as well as Minister of Defense of USSR from 1949 to 1953 (under Stalin) was believer too.









Russian News
Sergey Labanov
December 19, 2008
"Stalin paternally cared about Russia"

According to priest Vasily Shvets, Stalin prayed also. In Stalin's environment at this time (since 1939) there was a former czarist general, the chief of the Staff B.M.Shaposhnikov. On this high post he was changed, by his own advice, to a believer too, the son of a priest, A.M.Vasilevsky. Marshal G.K.Zhukov believed in God also.


Русские новости
Сергей Лабанов
19 декабря 2008 г.
"Сталин по-отечески заботился о России"

По сведениям протоирея Василия Швеца, молился и сам Сталин. В окружении Сталина в это время (с 1939 года) находился бывший царский генерал, начальник Штаба Б.М. Шапошников. Сменил его на высоком посту по его же рекомендации тоже верующий человек, сын священника А.М. Василевский. Верил в Бога и маршал Г.К. Жуков.










2002-04-26, Friday; Man and Society
Alexander GOROHOVSKY
"FACTS" (Moscow - Kiev)
"Stalin paternally cared about Russia"

Slava Andreevna Shaposhnikova (daughter-in-law of USSR marshal B.M.Shaposhnikov): Vasilevsky too, I think, was the believer, but never showed it. Once he has helped our family, and I have decided to thank him - have told him, that I can secretly help to make a communion ceremony. He long thought, and has then told: "Now I can't accept this gift". And after death of Alexander Mihajlovich, his son Igor with the spouse Rose have addressed to me with the request to chant fo the burial service over the died father, as it is necessary for orthodox ceremony.


2002-04-26 пятница; Человек и общество
Александр ГОРОХОВСКИЙ
"ФАКТЫ" (Москва - Киев)
"Сталин по-отечески заботился о России"

Слава Андреевна Шапошникова (невестка маршалa Советского Союза B.M.Шапошникова): Василевский тоже, думаю, был верующим, но никогда не показывал этого. Однажды он помог нашей семье, и я решила его отблагодарить -- сказала ему, что могу помочь тайно совершить обряд причастия. Он долго думал, а потом сказал: "Сейчас я не могу принять этот подарок". А после смерти Александра Михайловича его сын Игорь с супругой Розой обратились ко мне с просьбой отпеть умершего отца, как полагается, по православному обряду. Естественно, что открыто делать это было небезопасно.












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Georgy Maximilianovich Malenkov (Георгий Максимилианович Маленков) (1902-1988) - Secretary of the Central Committee also was a believer. He went to church regulary and at the end of his life become priest in church near Moscow (Дмитирий Поспеловский. Православная Церковь в истории Руси, России и СССР. Москва. 1996. с. 322)

Archpriest Leonid Konstantinov, prior of Nikolo-Iosafovsky cathedral

After the war, Stalin's daughter Svetlana Alliluyeva and Georgi Malenkov were baptized, confessed and received Holy Communion All-Union's elder Mikhail Ivanovich Kalinin.


Протоирей Леонид Константинов, настоятель Николо-Иосафовского собора [ Выпуск 11 ]

После войны приняли крещение Светлана Аллилуева, дочь Сталина, Георгий Маленков, исповедовался и принял Святое Причастие всесоюзный староста Михаил Иванович Калинин.


 


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Aegis

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Good post!  You probably have facts and sources not available to us in the USA; they are inconvenient truths to the mythology of WWII and Christianity.

I'll give your post a proofread and correct what needs it.  I am enjoying practicing my русcкий язык through Stalin's quotes. 

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Joel Davis

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well the stuff about hitler seems interesting and is probably true. I know that fransico franco was very catholic-friendly, I've seen pictures of catholic chaplins performing mass with his troops.

 but I'm afraid stalin was an atheist (not a good example though) he WAS in seminary to train to be a priest but he didn't leave for the revolution, he was kicked out (essentially for being a trouble maker) and later he joined the revolutionary cause. They have videos and signed documents where he order churches be demolished regardless of the consequences they even had parades and holidays promoting atheism. This wasn't successful for a variety of reasons and so they eventually set up a socialist-friendly church that framed christian doctrine around a marxist nucleus. Also historically, the russian othodox church was very much married with the power structure of the state, so much so that people complained of the church being under the tsar's control. I know tsar is different than premier but it's just russia does have a long history of successfully seperating out the the branches of power.


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Jason Orr

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Really interesting post, but... who cares if they were atheist?  I'm sure there are plenty of atheists who aren't admirable people, but that has nothing to do with the arguments for atheism.  It's the same flawed logic that leads one to believe that since one young black male stole a radio, all black men are thieves.  You don't need to believe that all atheists are saints (sweet irony) in order to accept atheism as a legitimate position.  Next time someone gives you that argument, ask them if they would care to be compared with the monsters who tortured innocent people during the Spanish Inquisition or who massacred Indians in the New World in the name of God.  If they can find a handful of unsavory characters who didn't believe in God, trust that you can find dozens more evil people who did believe in God-- devoutly even (especially).
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Paul C.

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Very cool stuff, but I've shut down every "BUT STALIN WAS AN ATHEIST" argument with, "he was absolutely not an atheist, his god was the state."  They usually have no means of countering that.  Maybe a rational atheist could counter it, but irrational Christian, anti-commie fundies are incapable, from what I've seen.
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Joel Davis

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Very cool stuff, but I've shut down every "BUT STALIN WAS AN ATHEIST" argument with, "he was absolutely not an atheist, his god was the state."  They usually have no means of countering that.  Maybe a rational atheist could counter it, but irrational Christian, anti-commie fundies are incapable, from what I've seen.

stalin had no faith, in the state or otherwise he killed anyone who even implied they held preferences that may one day lead them to choose a different brand of cereal than him if the breakfast was later in the day, their wife was menstrating, their children had changed schools, mars was aligned with jupiter, and there had been a harvest moon the previous night. The "state" was just his own personal killing machine but at the end of the day he served himself instead of some cause. That's to be expected when you give someone that much power, stalin is just the worst-case-scenario of giving any one person or group of people that much sway over society.


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If someone were using "Stalin and Hitler were atheists, therefore atheism is evil." as their argument.. well... I would probably just walk away.
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