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How to prove God does not exist.

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It is often said that you cannot prove God does not exist, because you cannot prove a negative.  Since we know God does not exist, because the idea is insane, we certainly ought to believe we can prove God does not exist.  In fact the solution to this conundrum is simple, once you know how. 

 We prove God does not exist, by showing what God is.

 This approach stems from the nature of language, which generates ideas that often prove fanciful, but are prompted by experience.  Proving things do not exist is a routine feature of science, only science is not presented in this negative light.  Nonetheless, when science does prove certain things it is liable to disprove ideas that had previously existed.

 The idea of God is undoubtedly the most important idea in existence in our world, and the associated knowledge, religion, is likewise of supreme importance.  It is still complete and utter rot, but the typical atheistic line dismissing religion as rot, gets us nowhere.  If instead we recognise the eternal importance of religion, and ask why ?  Then we begin to move in the direction of finding an answer, and thus proving God does not exist, by showing what God is.  That is to say, by discovering what it is in reality that does exist, that is as important to us as God is said to be, by those who support this idea.

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Why did you choose to make this your very first post? Is it something important to you, or to your milieu?

Just curious where you are coming from so that we can understand your language better. As you say, much of this topic is rooted in language and culture. 

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HowardHill

Let's look at language then.

God, regardless of what attributes are assigned to him or her, ends in being an ideal entity that can only exist in the mind of an individual.

That mental construct is what is believed to be true as it is the only real thing that a person can believe in since there is no physical manifestation of a God.

God then can only be defined as a persons mental construct. That is why Gnostic Christianity urges us to go within ourselves to find the only God we can ever know.

Are we on the same page?

Regards

DL

 

 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Jsbrads said:

The universe was created.

Let me know how when you figure it out.

Since you cannot know, I will go with my best guess, knowing you cannot refute it.

BBBBB Bang.

You might want to try for a more adult way of communicating.

Mature discourse is what I come to this place for.

Regards

DL  

 

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10 hours ago, Jsbrads said:

What caused the Big Bang?

sorry if I use Twitter sarcasm sometimes, unintended. 

Both science and religions are now admitting that what the conditions were before the Big Bang cannot be known and both have ended with a God of the Gaps.

As a Gnostic Christian, I have no supernatural beliefs and at present do not see science as having the answer you want.

Even if we thought we could know, unless we can replicate it, we cannot ever prove it.

At present science has about 5 theories with the math that proves all the theories to be valid so pick your brane or favotite super string theory and run with it.

Regards

DL

 

 

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10 hours ago, Jsbrads said:

What caused the Big Bang?

sorry if I use Twitter sarcasm sometimes, unintended. 

No problem my friend. We all have to get used to our various styles.

This link might just be as correct as all the other theories.

Regards

DL

 

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The difference couldn't be more stark.

we both believe in cause and effect

atheists just believe the cause is accidental and lucky for us

and theists believe it was intentional and not dumb luck

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On ‎03‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 3:22 AM, Jsbrads said:

The difference couldn't be more stark.

we both believe in cause and effect

atheists just believe the cause is accidental and lucky for us

and theists believe it was intentional and not dumb luck

I am not an atheist. I am a Gnostic Christian.

Regards

DL

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On 10/12/2017 at 4:01 AM, neeeel said:

How do you know?

This. 

 

Whether or not God is disprovable is dependent on what God is being purported. Even within Christianity there is great variation. Some Gods are non-falsifiable. Some Gods are self-contridictiory. Antidotally, since most of the theists I've come across are determined to stick to a loving God, the more non-falsifiable their God is the less interested I am in disproving it. 

 

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On 10/12/2017 at 1:01 AM, neeeel said:

How do you know?

Good question. The current level on science is fairly comfortable with the universe being created. And religion made the exact same claim first.

note: the above does not talk about how the universe was created. 

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6 minutes ago, Jsbrads said:

Good question. The current level on science is fairly comfortable with the universe being created. And religion made the exact same claim first.

note: the above does not talk about how the universe was created. 

Science says the universe was created? I dont think thats correct. Maybe its to do with what you mean by created? Created generally means a creator, no?

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The current level of science is comfortable in saying that we don't know and that perhaps we'll never know how the universe came into being.

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