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plato85

Arguing with irrationality

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Just now, Tyler H said:

Sorry, I recognize equivocation has a negative, deceptive connotation to it and that's not what I meant. I just meant that you were treating the questions as synonymous. Perhaps I should have used the term conflating. I guess how I interpret the questions is that people who don't listen to reason, can be influenced- just not by reason. And people who's minds can't be changed, well if nothing can change their mind, neither reason, evidence, deception, appeal to self interest, nothing, then trying to influence their thoughts or behavior would be worse than a waste of time. 

There are very very very few people in the world (like an incredibly tiny completely insignificant amount) who cannot be influenced by any means as you describe (why waste time worrying about them at all?). Everyone is influenced by something. Human beings have evolved to be highly adaptable, which means highly susceptible to influence. What you are really talking about here is overcoming negative influence. Is that correct?

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2 minutes ago, _LiveFree_ said:

There are very very very few people in the world (like an incredibly tiny completely insignificant amount) who cannot be influenced by any means as you describe (why waste time worrying about them at all?). Everyone is influenced by something. Human beings have evolved to be highly adaptable, which means highly susceptible to influence. What you are really talking about here is overcoming negative influence. Is that correct?

Hmm, maybe. What do you mean by negative influence?

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23 minutes ago, Tyler H said:

Hmm, maybe. What do you mean by negative influence?

Well, negative could mean anything you, in particular, dislike. I think in the context of this discussion we're talking about things like socialism, statism, violence, MSM and gov propaganda, etc. 

It's possible to take a more personal view and say negative influence is anything that gets you to act against yourself or your own well being and joy. This would include the previous examples, but also include things like peer pressure, chemical dependencies, abusive friendships or familial relationships. People engage these types of things in their lives because they believe by doing so it will bring more happiness than if they told the truth (maybe in the short run that is true, like a hit from a heroine needle). When this goes on long enough, they begin to believe the lie. Then someone like you, me or plato85 come along to change their mind and find someone who doesn't speak the language of reason. 

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