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DaVinci

Is MGTOW an unsustainable lifestyle?

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On 1/5/2017 at 1:07 PM, Wuzzums said:

MGTOW is another marxist trick to eradicate whites.

 

I have never seen a black MGTOW.

No married man is considered to be MGTOW.

No man with a girlfriend is considered MGTOW.

No man with a child is considered MGTOW.

MGTOW specifically targets teenagers to forgo female contact.

MGTOW creates a strawman of the female character as something undesirable (sour grapes).

MGTOW promotes isolation from society (ghosting).

MGTOW criticize any enjoyment of female interaction as misandry.

 

 

 

MGTOW sells itself as a male boycott to female vanity but its true intentions became clear after the "leaders" stated that there's no such thing as a good woman.

In my understanding MGTOW is in no way a "boycott fo female vanity".

And this lifestyle is very sustainable. I'm almost fourty and I've been mgtow pretty much since childhood. I went full monk 13 years ago.

I have  no woman or children holding me down, I'm educated, great job, high income, healthy, exercise a lot, many hobbies, friends and complete freedom to spend my time as I see fit. Mgtow lifestyle is totally awesome. I look back to when I still dated and damn! did I dodge some bullets. Why would anyone not want this??

With the laws the way they are, getting romantically involved with women doesn't stand up to any cost-benefit analysis whatsoever.

Even with non-gynocentric laws mgtow seems to be a much  better choice to me.

And what is it with all this "white race" and "passing on genes" nonsense??? WTF??

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6 hours ago, Meister said:

In my understanding MGTOW is in no way a "boycott fo female vanity".

That was my understanding also. I listened to a lot of Stardust and Barbarossa and a pretty ominous undertone came to light: "women are useless because they have needs". The people who are really into the MGTOW community will attack anyone that has a relationship with a woman. I gave up on them once I saw them recruiting kids (teenagers) into their lifestyle.

They started out actually having a point but being inside an echo-chamber is the mental equivalent of inbreeding. Only a matter of time until some really deformed "babies" come out.

6 hours ago, Meister said:

And what is it with all this "white race" and "passing on genes" nonsense??? WTF??

Are you implying there's something wrong or at the very least nonsensical in having kids and enjoying the company of people like you?

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5 hours ago, Wuzzums said:

That was my understanding also. I listened to a lot of Stardust and Barbarossa and a pretty ominous undertone came to light: "women are useless because they have needs". The people who are really into the MGTOW community will attack anyone that has a relationship with a woman. I gave up on them once I saw them recruiting kids (teenagers) into their lifestyle.

How is it a bad thing that kids and teenagers are being told the truth about the legal situation in regards to marriage and relationships?

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1 hour ago, Meister said:

How is it a bad thing that kids and teenagers are being told the truth about the legal situation in regards to marriage and relationships?

It's not. Wish MGTOWs would go back to that.

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Also, were some of the unmarried men burdened with health issues that kept them at a disadvantage in dating and marriage?  That would skew the data.

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I'm MGTOW and it's not because I can't get women ... For me it's about living for myself first.

I focused on making money and investing and I'm much wealthier now than the guys who have families. Wealthy enough to send cash each month to a bald Canadian philosopher I have not even met. 

This has caused a steady supply of 20 year old women to chase me to try to lock me down.

I currently have a 23 year old fwb and I don't have to waste time doing a single thing with her I don't want. 

True MGTOW in my view, isn't a means of attacking or defending some straw-woman. It's a way of maximising utility. The state and women have colluded to remove a man's ability to get anything in return for resource provision. Women know men have no leverage in marriage and behave badly as a result.

When you stop trying to wife them up and you're out of reach it drives them crazy. They know you've regained leverage and utility by ensuring every exchange is a fair one in terms you agree to. 

We don't need to breed to keep the movement going, as it's a response to the toxic modern society. A percentage of all men will continue to drop out until after collapse again makes men super valuable to women and patriarchy returns - as per the 1950s post war man drought causing every girl to be a great housewife... 

So sit back, hoard money, sleep with hot girls and enjoy the collapse. :)

Have to say though .... I'm hopeful of a modern day crusade in Europe circa 2040, so that I can die in battle and avoid old age. 

 

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2 hours ago, FANATICAL said:

I'm MGTOW and it's not because I can't get women ...

 

Said every MGTOWer ever. 

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12 hours ago, FANATICAL said:

I'm MGTOW and it's not because I can't get women ... For me it's about living for myself first.

I focused on making money and investing and I'm much wealthier now than the guys who have families. Wealthy enough to send cash each month to a bald Canadian philosopher I have not even met. 

This has caused a steady supply of 20 year old women to chase me to try to lock me down.

I currently have a 23 year old fwb and I don't have to waste time doing a single thing with her I don't want. 

True MGTOW in my view, isn't a means of attacking or defending some straw-woman. It's a way of maximising utility. The state and women have colluded to remove a man's ability to get anything in return for resource provision. Women know men have no leverage in marriage and behave badly as a result.

When you stop trying to wife them up and you're out of reach it drives them crazy. They know you've regained leverage and utility by ensuring every exchange is a fair one in terms you agree to. 

We don't need to breed to keep the movement going, as it's a response to the toxic modern society. A percentage of all men will continue to drop out until after collapse again makes men super valuable to women and patriarchy returns - as per the 1950s post war man drought causing every girl to be a great housewife... 

So sit back, hoard money, sleep with hot girls and enjoy the collapse. :)

Have to say though .... I'm hopeful of a modern day crusade in Europe circa 2040, so that I can die in battle and avoid old age. 

 

Women haven't "colluded". Women are just being women.

There is no conspiracy.

It's mens fault for changing the laws to pander to women.

 

See it like this:

If you have children and instead of disciplining and educating them you let them make the rules, you end up with retarded rules like "no brushing teeth" and "no more bedtime".

Soon you'll be living in hell ... but it's not the kids fault. The kids haven't been colluding. They've just been kids.

 

The shit started once women started to get political participation without any responsibility.

They wanted the right to vote but not register for the draft. Men decided to give them these privileges and they can take them away, because they are obviously stronger than women.

They demand free government payouts, without paying the same taxes men pay, same pay with less work and other crazy shit and other preferential treatment.

Now it's mostly women and effeminate men who vote for socialism, big government, no freedom of speech and leftist insanity laws like gender mumbo jumbo and the likes.

 

Until men restore a soft patriarchy again, this society is going to end in a disaster of historical proportions.

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9 hours ago, os.motic said:

Said every MGTOWer ever. 

You have to be a special kinda special not be able to find some woman who wants to hook up with you.

I've had my share of relationships and broke up with my last girlfriend 13 years ago to go monk.

You are basically claiming that I am lying ...

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2 hours ago, Meister said:

You are basically claiming that I am lying ...

I was just joshing, not trying to call you a liar.

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On 2017-4-30 at 3:41 PM, os.motic said:

Said every MGTOWer ever. 

It's just a fact that I'm relating. Once you go MGTOW, your ability to get women goes up a lot because you're no longer putting them on a pedestal and you're emotionally distant ... Which they seem to love. 

Your statement would be correct for incel guys and not real MGTOW. You're not going your own way if you just couldn't get a girl and are alone.

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On 1/4/2017 at 8:41 PM, DaVinci said:

From my own experience in this realm it seems unsustainable. In the same way that a division of labor creates more wealth it seems that the MGTOW lifestyle is the opposite. You have to do everything yourself, or at the very least accept that you can't do everything yourself and not even bother with certain activities like making your own food everyday, keeping your house clean, etc. 

 

Granted if you are rich, it might not be a problem, but for the already poor I think MGTOW compounds the problems that come with being poor. 

 

Does anyone else have some experience in this realm, or some thoughts on if MGTOW is something that actually works in the long term?

MGTOW philosophy denies biology in precisely the same manner that the feminism in which they criticize does.

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On ‎5‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 2:28 AM, bl4k said:

MGTOW philosophy denies biology in precisely the same manner that the feminism in which they criticize does.

True but, one relies on government resources, victimhood, and stealing away a man's children (assuming they are his and he did not get cucked) as well as unleashing the dogs of the state to steal his money.

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I don't think it is a sustainable lifestyle for most men. Most men are easily the biggest saps who will cave the sec they get pussy bombed.

 

I recently went to a Jack & Jill. Still single. I assumed, there must be some single people. NOPE! It was my first experience of social anxiety in a long time. Here is how a covo went:

 

Couple: so you married?

Me: No

Couple: Gf?

Me: Nope. Dating but, nothing serious.

Couple: Awwwww. Maybe one day.

Me: GRRRRRRRRR!

 

Because, the merit to which a person is successful is of course following the beaten path, to get married, and have children. I wouldn't be as big a cynic if the majority of times it was what people always desired. In my experience, it has more to do with a woman's biological clock, and a man being dragged for the ride until she tells him to get out lol

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