Wow, what a false dichotomy you've constructed. I am often confused by single men here on the FDR boards. They claim to be successful in other endeavors, and I find that hard to believe. The reason I find it hard to believe, is that when you've made the shift in mindset to find success and opportunities in every challenge (and that's what it takes to be successful), then how can you continue to claim victimhood and plead that the problem is nothing of your own making? Everyone successful in business, as far as I know, has had to face head-on the fact that your success or failure is the product of your own choosing and strategic activities to reach your goal. Why is relationship not viewed the same way? You want a quality woman, but they are hard to find? So what!? Go out and get her like all the money and business endeavors you wanted, but were hard to find. You did what needed to be done. I just don't get the disconnect.
Probably one of the most ridiculous posts on this forum ever. Its the internet. If a woman on this board jumped on and bragged about being conservative and good looking, would you presume she is being honest? Probably not. Felix Denis, Author of "How to Get RIch" described a million dollars as "the comfortably poor." He died single and I am pretty sure lost count of the amount of escorts and prostitutes he had fun with. It is a different world. You throw around the notion of "quality woman" the way most men do believing in the NAWALT. Whether or not that exists is something else all together. When you find your very version of this, do you call, "ALL IN," throwing away all reason, logic, and evidence?
The disconnect is a college campus 99% of which is leftist, pro choice and quick to let you know about it. The vast majority are running through an absurd amount of men and having children out of wedlock. Then, you got a series of men jumping on these women and raising the alpha male's children. The term quality gets tossed around a lot but very few men find this.
You can go out an approach an abundance of women. You will get laid. You will also come across a lot of disasters, a lot of not high quality women, women with a piece of paper that indicates education but, nothing of self awareness, self knowledge, and anything that insinuates free thought. If you want an omelet, you got to crack a few eggs. You come across a lot of women far from the sort to date exclusively never mind quality.
The most ironic part of those that preach how simple it is, they would be the first to e brag online about how it is, and the first to declare a woman a slut the second they try and approach and it magically doesn't go the way they would like. Suddenly, its not so easy anymore.
It doesn't help that nearly all men are fat and women don't like curves of any sort. Even if standards were held constant that would still be the apparent outcome. The quality of men has dropped remarkably.
No offense. I am a fair bit younger then you but, I noticed women "bulking" after the ripe age of 18. One girl I hooked up with in my teens has three children out of wedlock all from different men. I would not be caught dead around her at this point. Cute girl that now looks like she ate a house.
Anytime I have heard a woman say, "I can't find a quality man," it is as Sandman suggests. Its the top 1% of the male population. The question isn't to look at the men raised by a series of single moms, the moms on carousel 2.0, the ones that emasculated the father figure, and had him banished from the household. It is more shaming language, manipulation, and how can one extract resources from someone already damaged? I am not MGTOW. Not yet. Then again, the same disregard and repulsive behavior easily is enough to turn down that path. If I were mentally weak, I would have made that leap along time ago. I will say, I do not have no live in gf, wife, or woman in my home. I will date casually until finding the unicorn. I wont be dating single moms or women after carousel 2.0. I would rather be single and live out my life that way then be the utility of resource that gets used and dragged around like a puppet.
The quality of women have dropped and the increase of single mother victimhood is on the rise. If not for Stefan, my eyes would be closed and I would listen to the sob stories that women bombard men with. I think I have finally stopped caring and placed my own priorities f
I've been a MGTOW for about 4 years and live alone. It's sustainable for me so far. We have a brilliant service in our area called Deliveroo which allows you to order food from a restaurant locally and have it shipped to you, so I order that about 3 times a week for food, you get restaurant quality food to your door for a delivery fee of about £2.50, otherwise there's takeaway delivery, and the other days I just eat things like microwave meals. I literally cannot be bothered to cook, no point. Most normal days there's a sandwich lady at work who visits and I buy salads/greens from her to stay a bit more healthy.
Long term you have to balance out the costs, there's savings if you share a home, rent and bills. But then also you're going to spend a lot on her, probably gifts while you're courting, an expensive wedding, and then the biggest of all costs are children. Most married couples have children and they're super expensive, this is where long term you make your bank. Children cost something in the region of £250,000 as a minimum to raise and it can be a lot more depending on things like if you go private school route and have to pay for tuition.
Living alone isn't a problem for anyone who isn't a total mong. Get on a career ladder and you can be earning more than enough cash for the bachelor lifestyle. And you get to spend all of your money on yourself. I'm saving for a mortgage at the moment and get to drop silly money into my savings account each month.
Thanks for sharing. I fear the pull of MGTOW coming my way.
I followed the beaten path in the first stage of my life following puberty. I was the good little beta. I bought dinners. I paid for dates. I got nowhere. I was liked by girls but, I did not date too much in my early and middle teens. I got more comfortable in my own skin by my senior year. Still, i found pickup, I approached a lot, and I dated more. Part of approaching more is, you get rejected more. You see patterns, you see qualities in women you like, and other qualities you dislike.
I was not expecting what I would find. I found as a young boy, teen, a young man; I knew it was rare to find the sort of woman to date exclusively and even more so for the woman you marry and start a family with. I did not know how right I was until I started to approach. I have seen the disappearing acts, the shady behavior in women, the no contact only to initiate contact after jumping off another man. By that, I mean to say, a woman after getting dumped or a man begins to stop seeing her could be with child. She will lie, she will make up excuses, and give all sorts of fables about being busy. She was in fact jumping off other men, the men who would sleep with her but, wont date her. She then will start responding but, the years of approaching, of seeing female nature, a man begins to become numb to rejection, to lies, and deceit. If a woman stops texting or shows a lack of interest, it is because she is sleeping with other men.
Despite these shitty realizations and crummy dating experiences, I cannot shake my blasted genetics, and desire for a good woman. I still hold out that it exists. Unfortunately, it comes at a time when people are getting married, having children, and starting to live together. I am not saying that it is all bad. I have quite a bit of good experiences but, in all honesty, its been a disaster and a horrible time I wouldn't wish on anybody, even my worst of enemy. Then again, I ask you, what alternative is there? To wait? To vet a good woman? Most are on social media and tinder getting drunk on the power of validation and approval.
I am single. I continue to approach. I continue to swipe right at life. I still hold out that there is good out there but, there comes a point when, I will close the door on that chapter in my life, and begin pursuing other interests entirely. I intend to pursue some more but, there are things I will like to look into, things I want to explore like self awareness, self knowledge, my fears, my worries, and then, transcend the life i live into something awesome. I want to add value but I am constantly bombarded with leftist women, with very liberal women. Women who will prefer to have casual sex then do coffee and establish something more concrete. I got asked to replace a girl's dildo one night? Sounds like fun right? I have trouble trusting a woman who is quick to sex but drags her feet over coffee. Maybe I am old school.