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God Proven to Exist According to Mainstream Physics

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Josh F

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http://theophysics.h...chist-jesus.pdf

 

so how does this relate to this paper?

 

is exodus 20-31 or whatever a free market covenant between a people and god? what happened to those that chose not to agree to the covenant?

We have our foreskins dissected.... to be fair... that happens even if you do enter the covenant.


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James E Mahler

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luke 9:13 says that the total amount of meat was not enough to feed 5000 on its own.

the apostles say they don't have enough food, and would need to go to the market to buy more food in order to have enough food to feed all 5000.

 

this is assuming the story is real and correctly recorded, which is a question on it's own

 

Actually the scripture goes like this:

 

Feeding the Five Thousand

10 And the apostles, when they had returned, told Him all that they had done. Then He took them and went aside privately into a deserted place belonging to the city called Bethsaida. 11 But when the multitudes knewit, they followed Him; and He received them and spoke to them about the kingdom of God, and healed those who had need of healing. 12 When the day began to wear away, the twelve came and said to Him, “Send the multitude away, that they may go into the surrounding towns and country, and lodge and get provisions; for we are in a deserted place here.”

13 But He said to them, “You give them something to eat.”

And they said, “We have no more than five loaves and two fish, unless we go and buy food for all these people.” 14 For there were about five thousand men.

Then He said to His disciples, “Make them sit down in groups of fifty.”15 And they did so, and made them all sit down.

16 Then He took the five loaves and the two fish, and looking up to heaven, He blessed and broke them, and gave them to the disciples to set before the multitude. 17 So they all ate and were filled, and twelve baskets of the leftover fragments were taken up by them.

 

[color=rgb(34,34,34);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:14px]And the feeding of the 5000 pretty much ends there. Who knows how it really happened or what is true or not.
When a story is written by many and it is done thru several decades it is hard to get the truth. Some of the accounts become pretty much hear say.[/color]


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#38
cab21

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Actually the scripture goes like this:

 

Feeding the Five Thousand

10 And the apostles, when they had returned, told Him all that they had done. Then He took them and went aside privately into a deserted place belonging to the city called Bethsaida. 11 But when the multitudes knewit, they followed Him; and He received them and spoke to them about the kingdom of God, and healed those who had need of healing. 12 When the day began to wear away, the twelve came and said to Him, “Send the multitude away, that they may go into the surrounding towns and country, and lodge and get provisions; for we are in a deserted place here.”

13 But He said to them, “You give them something to eat.”

And they said, “We have no more than five loaves and two fish, unless we go and buy food for all these people.” 14 For there were about five thousand men.

Then He said to His disciples, “Make them sit down in groups of fifty.”15 And they did so, and made them all sit down.

16 Then He took the five loaves and the two fish, and looking up to heaven, He blessed and broke them, and gave them to the disciples to set before the multitude. 17 So they all ate and were filled, and twelve baskets of the leftover fragments were taken up by them.

 

[color=rgb(34,34,34);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:14px]And the feeding of the 5000 pretty much ends there. Who knows how it really happened or what is true or not.
When a story is written by many and it is done thru several decades it is hard to get the truth. Some of the accounts become pretty much hear say.[/color]

 

 

 

whats the point of the story if it's just about 5000 people eating food for 5000+ people?

 

one would have to look at the motivations of those telling the story.

commentaries i have read suggest the intent is to indicate it was a miracle of feeding 5000, without the food for 5000, showing power of god.
 

 

We have our foreskins dissected.... to be fair... that happens even if you do enter the covenant.

 

showing "god" not working through the free market principles.


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#39
elzoog

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Is anyone else not NEARLY high enough to read this shit?

 

 

Seems to me that if I wanted this much mental masturbation, I would get better results thinking about hot Japanese lesbian high school students.

 

God has been proven to exist based upon the most reserved view of the known laws of physics.
 
 

 

Ok, I have read some of the stuff on this thread and I think you guys are missing the whole problem with James here. So James, you claim that physics proves the existence of an Omega Consciousness called God that has the following properties.

 

1)  He knows everything that is logically possible to know.

2)  He can do anything logically possible.

3)  He is eternal and unchanging.

 

Ignoring for the moment that there is a contradiction between a being that can do something, yet is at the same time unchanging, the real BASIC question I have for you is as follows:

 

Q)  How do you know that this Omega Consciousness is the God described by Christianity?

 

The guys on this thread are missing the point arguing over the multiplication of fish.  After all, a "God" could have Star Trek like technology and maybe he beamed the extra fish and bread in with a transporter.  Or maybe he pulled them out of a parallel universe.

 

The REAL problems with your view that he's the god described by Christianity, in my view, are as follows.

 

1)  Why would the Omega Consciousness have a place like "heaven" where we go if we believe in him?  Or a place like "hell" if we don't believe in him or disobey his rules?

 

2)  Why would the Omega Consciousness care about whether I obey certain things?  Like for example, not eating pork or shellfish?  I understand that such things might carry disease, but what about cooking them properly? Or why does he care whether or not I have gay sex?

 

3)  If his message to mankind is important, why is he relying on an old book that has been unreliably translated numerous times and has been reinterpreted in thousands of different ways.  For example,

 

a) Regarding the gay sex issue, some people think the Bible clearly condemns gay sex whereas other people think those passages only refer to non-consensual sex, or temple prostitution. 

 

b) Some people believe that all you have to do to be saved is believe in Jesus. Others say that believing isn't enough and that you need works.  Others believe you need faith plus the sacraments. 

 

You would think if his message to mankind was so important, it would be pretty clear where he stands on these issues.

 

4)  Why would the Omega Consciousness create one set of rules for ancient people to follow (i.e. the Old Testament) and then decide to create a new set of rules (i.e. the New Testament)? Can't he get it right the first time?

 

5)  Assuming we follow the right rules and we get to go to heaven, what will we do there that won't get boring after doing it for hundreds or thousands of years?

 

 

It seems that a being that knows everything and can do everything would consider the "Christian religion" too stupid to be worth his time.


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Slavik

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My goodness he is absolutely blowing you all out of the water & it seems like the big dogs who usually are first to defend atheism have steered clear of this possibly cause of the immense empirical data James Redford has laid down. The ones who stay to defend are simply nitpicking small things about Christianity.

There is no need to stay and waste ones time, debating a proposition which relies on 2+2=5.  As James mentioned from the very beginning "God defies all laws of conservation of energy in matter...."  After such a fact, what is left to debate?  And no it is not nitpicking, when the very root of the proposition is disproved in one line.  To borrow from Stefan "If I make a proposition which relies on 2+2=unicorn, will you stay to debate with me?  Most likely not.  

 

To sum it up, god is a self contradictory being, which breaks all laws of physics (being a consciousness without matter and all) hardly a nitpicking at christianity when you look at what he was attempting to prove now is it.


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Did anyone here notice the mention of the words: "Mainstream Physics" ?

 

You guys are too mainstream, I only believe in Pre-Newtonian physics, in my garden all the apples fall UP.


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