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RichardY

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  1. What Is Moral?

    3. Another thought just occured to me. "The Dragons Teeth"(Myth) What if those bloody revolutions in China led to an increase in Agreeableness, leading indirectly to a potential increase in bloody conflicts in the future. Communists are usally High in Agreeableness, the team first, above morality? or ethics. Relatively peaceful at the moment ,but what if that changes?
  2. What Is Moral?

    @Mishi2 1. Yeah but he did kill his brother, ok he probably had it coming though."The scouruge of God" (Looking on Wikipedia a link The Scouruge of the Virtuous, Purification through mortification). Plus invade large swathes of the world, it didn't last long after he died with territory being devided up. Not sure if it is possible to be amoral and still have the capacity for virtue. What if the inquistion was in someway virtuous? How can someone judge Genghis Khan as moral or immoral? or even God? How would you make the case for Genghis Khan being moral? Personally I think he was perhaps virtuous in many ways, but I wouldn't say moral. 2. Never said it was to have an abortion, I think it would be better if women were paid for the child instead, at least try and "break-even". Emotional baggage, pragmatic if not idealistic. 3. So more revolutions were more bloody, just shows the necessity sometimes of aggression in survival if not morality. 4. I prefer to pick and choose what definitions I find are more accurate, for example: Inflation; an increase in prices.(New Definition). Inflation; an increase in the money supply(Old Definition, and imho more correct) Find the defintion of Justice, like in a Socratic dialogue than through google search. However, importantly I figure Ishould write it down to avoid going over old ground and reach a position of certainty.
  3. A FDR Dictionary?

    @lorry Thank you. I have seen that resource before looks like they updated the layout.
  4. Are women capable of agency?

    Did I upset you, when you said you were flattered and I said "a little", more interested in being a hermit? I know once, when I was at a Wedding for a 2nd cousin at London Zoo, I was asked if the food was Ok by the Bride and Groom, and I said "no not really", too many beans, square plates and a silly drizzle decoration. I wonder if I should try more to feign social conformity. Women are generally more reliant on social approval, I remember Milo saying that women later in life living alone are generally miserable. Also I think Stefan has said that accoding to the data.
  5. Are women capable of agency?

    Probably a good hobby to have, in the past I was pretty hooked on videogames. What sort of non-fiction do you write? Don't really read much poetry, the only one that comes to mind is "The Hollow Men" in the movie Apocalypse Now, but not exactly a girly movie.
  6. Are women capable of agency?

    So are you a fiction author then? A little, but mostly because I'm actually interested in being a hermit. Although have to find a reliable means of subsisting. Cliche but my ideal place would be a desert Island somewhere, as long as I didn't starve to death or die of thirst. Wouldn't mind taking the rough with the smooth, even if it involved being near eaten alive by insects. Currently looking at walking to Gibraltar in Spain, from Almeria, camping out on the way, could take a while....
  7. Are women capable of agency?

    @S1988 Why not talk more about your interests, than what other people think you should do and what you think they should do. Talk about being a hermit for instance. I'm looking at getting some land out the way somewhere, checking out of society. I think it's partially genetic being Northern European.
  8. A FDR Dictionary?

    Was reading some of "The Art of The Argument." and I remember a part of it saying something like as long as you get the "defintions correct" resolving The Argument becomes as easy as turning a key in a lock. Thought I might aim at creating my own basic dictionary. Maybe a few people might like to throw around a few suggestions & definitions related to SELF KNOWLEDGE and PHILOSOPHY? PHILOSOPHY Philosopher: Ethics: That which is universally preferable. Also the affirmation of Property Rights. Morality: That someone has moral agency; a respect for property rights. Immorality: That someone simultaneously attempts to affirm and deny, property rights. Amorality: That someone neither affirms nor denies, property rights, merely that they act. Virtue: Acting for the betterment of humanity a persons life? Nietzschean Morality: A form of Amorality?; where the person reflects on, the fact that “To those human beings who are of any concern to me I wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities—I wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: I have no pity for them, because I wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not—that one endures.” Tribal Morality?: Where member are supportinate to the rules and customs of the tribe, where property has not yet developed into a fully distinct concept and Dominance and Submission prevail, but also cooperation & community. Certainty: That which is known. Existence: That which is. Reality: The imposition of measurement? Empiricism: Statement of the Apparent. Rational: Irrational: Arational: The Argument: An Art form. Imperative: Subjective: Objective: Objectivism: Freewill: Determinism: Truth: Logic: True: False: Justice: SELF KNOWLEDGE Psychology: Consciousness: Conscientiousness: Neuroticism: Openess to Experience: Agreeableness: Extroversion/Introversion: Ethos: Belief: That which is apparent. Willpower: Motivation: Desire: Addiction: Apathy: Authentic: False Self: Survival: Death: Focus: Concentration: Responsibility: Awareness: Entertainment: Joy: Happiness: Comfort: Perception: Illusion: Delusion: Rage: Anger: Madness: Insanity: Sanity: Genius: The "I": Egoism: Relationships: The Deal: An Art Form. Altruism: Sacrifice: Suffering: Commitment: Integrity: Honour: Shame: Narcissim: Love: Self-Love: Evil: "Freudian" Unconscious Mind: The theory that processes beyond your awareness influence your behaviour A Subconscious Mind: Commonplace Book: Record of ones plans and changes in behaviour. Choice: Confusion: Freewill: Projection: Monism: Physicalism: Existentialism: Dualism: Mind Body Dichtonmy. Meditation: Introspection: Enlightenment: GOD: Pantheist: Theist: Atheist: Egoism: Virtue: Profit: Religion: Belief: Faith: Dogma: Ayn Rand: Aristotole: Immanuel Kant: Stefan Molyneux: Nietzche: Plato: Socrates: Montagine: Carl G Jung: Jordan Peterson:
  9. What Is Moral?

    I can't prefer to be a Masai Warrior or an Inuit. Can I prefer to have another personality than I have, if someone is irrational can they ever be shifted out of it? Perhaps in that case a person would be amoral, "The morality of Genghis Khan" or "The Joker". Though morality only exists when at least 2 people acknowledge it? do they do so through talk or through action? False dichtonmy, talk being an action. Can one person be moral, when everyone else is immoral or amoral? is such a situation possible? I guess you could have a completely amoral society as with early man. So as Murder is Objectively Evil, and murder is distinguished from killing by the fact that someone has "Moral Agency" respect for property rights. That we are talking shows a preference for talk, as opposed to violence. (Stefan inspired, possibly word for word). But what if respect for ones own property rights is not enough? Thinking of the Russian Revolution the most aggressive, culling the least. How would you distinguish Morality from Virtue? Could it be possible to be amoral and virtous? I think what I am getting at is, if morality is to have value or worth shouldn't it endure over immorality. If everyone was moral are they by that fact amoral? I guess that is why the question of Freewill is so prevelent. Few defintions, feel free to pick at... Ethics: That which is universally preferable. Also the affirmation of Property Rights. Morality: That someone has moral agency; a respect for property rights. Immorality: That someone simultaneously attempts to affirm and deny, property rights. Amorality: That someone neither affirms nor denies, property rights, merely that they act. Virtue: Acting for the betterment of humanity a persons life? Nietzschean Morality: A form of Amorality?; where the person reflects on, the fact that “To those human beings who are of any concern to me I wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities—I wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: I have no pity for them, because I wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not—that one endures.” Tribal Morality?: Where member are supportinate to the rules and customs of the tribe, where property has not yet developed into a fully distinct concept and Dominance and Submission prevail, but also cooperation & community. Ethos: Subjective: Objective: Truth: Logic: True: False: Could do with a FDR Dictionary. Yeah best let people starve if you can help.
  10. Are women capable of agency?

    @S1988 Why are you even posting, about not wanting a family? Why not pump out some kids for company, as opposed to being a 45 year old cat lady.
  11. What Women Actually Want in a Man

    So all women are Hookers
  12. Is God competent or incompetent?

    Define God. Besides without God wouldn't have the Indiana Jones movies, plus other entertainment.
  13. Willpower comes from...

    Pfft, calling the kettle black, your grammar & proof reading it isn't exactly perfect either, I'll bear in mind to watch my grammar more carefull . More interested in covering different information ideas related to Willpower in the mind of inquiry. "Would you like to know more?". Though the page has 800 views so far so maybe someone "will". Debate would be fine, If I say willpower comes from an "Ethos, which must be embodied, because the complexity of existence is too great to comprehend" you say willpower comes from "integration at heart, because with it is certainty." Then perhaps we already have an answer, which would perhaps be "philosophy". Maybe get to something irreducible "The human soul or something." Though rather than try and reduce to certainty(which would be no freewill), perhaps there is a way of affirming a positive Ethos, maybe there isn't. Perhaps to burn off, whatever delusions people have about the world is enough, so what is left is your soul if you have one. 2 occurences of J.Peterson. (I like to weight ideas, by credibility & cross-referencing). The Blue(Your response) & Black (My response). Do this to keep the page compact, perhaps word processor like, but I in general don't care, however I can squeeze more information from the forum. Duplicate paragraph. What exactly are you trying to do construct or desconstruct "Willpower comes from _____".
  14. Are women capable of agency?

    "DEMARCATION!!! DEMARCATION!!!" - "Cross of Iron." Thought of the word from the movie "Cross of Iron" 1977. Some male to female relations in the film. Guy get's his penis bit off. Another guy gets stabbed to death "possibly" thinking about rape. Perhaps kind of random, thought it was a good movie. Generally the people who are exposed to "better ideas", end up getting killed, anyway.
  15. Willpower comes from...

    (given that humans haven't died out) 'There's a place for everything, everything has it's own place.' The sorting and experiencing of information is done by different agents that are all part of the same unity, hence my liking to the MEco system (Stefan Molyneux) analogy, even if I know that biological 'wirings' must be included too. It isn't a perfect system and far from understood(epigenetics), but it's (the state of evolution) what we've got to work with. I'm constantly amazed (even today) by each and every new discovery that only yields 'two more' additional questions about how the mind works so much in harmony with the body and vice versa. I'm here to ask and ask and observe and maybe ask some more when seeing something intriguing... I think we are only starting to scrape the surface of the mechanism that had been driving us here. (not enough efficiency at sorting, plenty of data... that's also why philosophy is soooo important)I don't have a clue other than the argument that child beating, being years on end treated with iron will does more harm on the long run than curiosity and nurturing behaviour would... that's me, I'm spent. Sorry, but I lack the proper historical depth to make a better argumen Place for everything, though I do think low conscientiousness and high conscientiousness can compete on the surface the distinction would between say having a meadow vs a neatly trimmed lawn. I think in addition to Conscientiousness is also the phenomena of Consciousness, perhaps related to Neuroticism. Though high conscientiousness apparently(according to J.Petersons, tends to reduce neuroticism). Listening to some more of "thinking fast and slow" System 1 is related to belief. Though system 2 is involved in "unbelief" & dogma or philosophy.(also was mentioned in the art of the Argument choosing between philosophy or dogma.) Exercising Philosophy or Dogma, perhaps related to developing more conscientiousness, though whether one causes the other not sure. I don't have a clue other than the argument that child beating, being years on end treated with iron will does more harm on the long run than curiosity and nurturing behaviour would... that's me, I'm spent. Sorry, but I lack the proper historical depth to make a better argument. I don't have a clue other than the argument that child beating, being years on end treated with iron will does more harm on the long run than curiosity and nurturing behaviour would... that's me, I'm spent. Sorry, but I lack the proper historical depth to make a better argument. Although from my experience Norwegians are high in conscientiousness as well, but I guess it depends on different areas, often a mix of personalities. I have met a couple of low conscientious Norwegians, but perhaps that just affirms the trend ( the I know a tall chinaman). Also I think that Scandanivan socieites are the least violent to their children. Who knows though specualting mostly, especially with Sweden setting up a scenario or at least no oppoisng a scenario likely "imho" to result in mass violence. I'm going to cross that desert!!!" Thinking. "Come out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs," "Now I know what a TV dinner feels like." Die hard. In my own words, nice and comfy here, we have onions, melons. Thinking of Exodus "Why?" "Their's not to reason why."? Soldier on. "I don't care, I'm going to cross it anyway." Cliche, but why did the chicken cross the road. "Don't you have other priorities?" We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.. "Maybe you should mind your own business". So true. Perhaps to be busy is to be in a state of dis-ease, where as to be relaxed (non-busy?, "I'm busy relaxing.") is to be at ease. Now I wonder if he's going to make it across or the astronaut's rocket is going to explode....
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