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  1. The Search for Truth

    Good question perhaps the guy thought he was being virtuous or maintaining integrity in someway instead. If he is not wise then why should anyone listen, but then if you are wise, why keep on talking for the sake of it. Makes me think of the term "Wise Guys" from mafia movies. If you have all the truth, then why would you speak in the first place? I think talk might be a better logical translation, not really decided. I mean you'd be a bit of a jerk if you didn't warn of landmines, I guess or occasionally tell people to "mind the gap" or something. Tao Te Ching Verse 56 The wise does not speak. He who speaks is not wise. Keep silent and close one’s mouth. Keep guard on one’s sensory organs. Round off one’s edges. Untie the entangled. Harmonize with the glory. (Perhaps do not go against the grain Mix with the lowliness. This is called the Mystic Unity. Because the wise is unified with all and has no distinction, Thus, one cannot get close to him, Nor can one keep far away from him, One cannot benefit him, Nor can one harm him, One cannot honor him, Nor can one disgrace him. Therefore, he is honored by the whole world
  2. Willpower comes from...

    @barn Had a few ideas I thought relevant to Willpower, kind of a big subject to tackle imho. "Hack at it" like sugar cane and "distil" it down. Make some spirits or something eventually. ----------- Willpower requires....an Ethos (in the affirmative) ,which must be embodied(i.e not just some words or conceptual ideas. For example, holy sacrament or "service guarantees citizenship") because the complexity of being is far greater than for any one person to comprehend. In order to possess willpower it's greatly beneficial... 1) to not be vain. 2) live in a community that shares an Ethos. ----------- Courage requires kindness. ------------ Trials of Heracles. The imposition of the masculine upon the feminin. Trial 5)Washing out the stables, a situation where "willpower alone in insufficient". Willpower part of the trials, not the task in itself. ------------------ Tangible vs Abstract. The MBTI (INTP personally, but also was close at one point to ISTP) is abstract, I tend to think of it as semaphores or valves in a way 1)Thinking & Feeling 2)Intuition & Sensing. But I guess with "The Big Five" can look at particular instances and consider ways of dealing with effects or not. Try to "optimise", as if designing an RPG (Roleplaying Game Character). Whether this could be considered as a manifestation of freewill or the evolution towards greater consciousness. Another thing is that "The Big Five" also split into subtypes, so Conscientiousness is: Orderliness and Industriousness. Maybe you have some ideas on how to influence the personality traits? Big Five Agreeableness - High Agreeableness; perhaps correlated with high ext feeling. I've gotten "very low agreeableness" on a couple of Big Five Tests. I wonder if it is possible to destroy Agreeableness all together as a concept. Neuroticism - High Neuroticism; correlated with Int Sensing and Int thinking. Low Neuroticism = Sloth, High = Rabbit. To lower neuroticism apparently raising conscientiousness makes a difference, smoking a joint perhaps or perhaps meditation. Conscientiousness - High Conscientiousness; with Int Intuition(orderliness), High Int Sensing(orderliness), High Ext Thinking(Industriousness). I'd imagine that Conscientiousness is the most limitless of the Big Five. Perhaps a "stable" society will tend to raise industriousness, where as a "disorderly" society "order", which may occur gradually or through mass slaughter. Openness - High openness; High Ext Intuition, High Int Thinking, High Ext Sensing. Which makes me think that increasing neuroticism will also tend to increase openness on an intellectual level. Where as those with high preferences for material resources or novel items (High Ext sensing) will tend to be leftists and open border advocates. Extraversion - High Extroversion; Ext Sensing, Ext Intuition, Ext Thinking. -------------------- Why covet willpower? multiplier factor? -------------------- Psalm 23 23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. 2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. 3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. 5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever. --------------
  3. Willpower comes from...

    Maybe it would help to have some baseline personality types to look at. In terms of having the most willpower those most conscious of their thinking and passions with an internalised ethos (ENTJ's) could perhaps be said to have the most will power imho, although personalities do change and someone could go to an ESTJ with slightly less willpower. Those heavy in introverted sensing imho will tend to be the conservatives and social conservatives and more akin to stubbornness, making environmental changes more significant, than any ethical or abstract argument. Thinking (Most Masculine): Te (conscious, Masc), Ti (unconscious, Fem) Intuition (Masculine): Ni(Formulaic, Masc), Ne(Pattern Matching, Fem) Sensing (Feminin): Se(New Material, Masc), Si(Old Material, Fem) Feeling (Most Feminin): Fi(Intrinsic Motivation, Masc), Fe (Extrinsic Motivation, Fem) ENTJ: Executive (Maximum Willpower, Most Masculine Personality) Napoleon, Julius Caesar, Trump, Aristotle, Stefan(?) INTJ: Scientist (High Willpower) Thomas Edison. INTP: Thinker (Low Willpower) Socrates, Plato, Nietzsche, C.G.Jung. ENTP: Visionary (Minimal Willpower) Da Vinci. ENFJ: Teacher (No Willpower, Collective) ESFJ: Provider/Carer (No Willpower, furthest from it, Most Feminin Personality) - Most Instinctual hormonal?, mother and her young........ ISFP: Artist (Fanaticism) Van Gogh, Mozart. INFP: Healer (Altruism) Jesus Christ. Florence Nightingale
  4. Did God err in making Adam ruler over Eve?

    Vanity (From Google) 1. excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements. 2. the quality of being worthless or futile. 3. a dressing table. Origin: "Vanus" meaning empty. Either the primary standard definition is incorrect and most of society is vain and empty, and Nietzsche was correct. Or he was wrong and pride is arbitrary and up to other people to tell you, how you feel. Still Why would you feel pride? I mean on a basic level you can take pride in appearance(tidiness) whilst having relatively little materially wise. Carly Simon You're so vain You walked into the party Like you were walking on a yacht Your hat strategically dipped below one eye Your scarf, it was apricot You had one eye on the mirror (why pay particular attention to yourself if you have pride?) And watched yourself gavotte And all the girls dreamed that they'd be your partner They'd be your partner, and You're so vain You probably think this song is about you You're so vain, I'll bet you think this song is about you Don't you? Don't you? Oh, you had me several years ago When I was still naive Well, you said that we made such a pretty pair And that you would never leave But you gave away the things you loved And one of them was me (Implies lack of openness and originality, of course still only an opinion, hence the questioning) I had some dreams, they were clouds in my coffee Clouds in my coffee, and You're so vain You probably think this song is about you You're so vain, you're so vain I'll bet you think this song is about you Don't you? Don't you? Well I hear you went to Saratoga And your horse, naturally, won Then you flew your Learjet up to Nova Scotia To see the total eclipse of the sun Well, you're where you should be all the time And when you're not, you're with some underworld spy Or the wife of a close friend, Wife of a close friend, and You're so vain You probably think this song is about you You're so vain, you're so vain I'll bet you think this song is about you Don't you? Don't you?
  5. Did God err in making Adam ruler over Eve?

    So why would you feel pride? To be clearer I consider hubris a sin. "Vanity is the fear of appearing original: it is thus a lack of pride, but not necessarily a lack of originality." Nietzsche (as often referred to by Stefan)
  6. Catalonia attempting to separate from Spain

    "Work Will set the Catalans Free." An ancestor of mine opinioned that slavery was legal. Yorke–Talbot slavery opinion. Not sure how it could be any other way, as Stefan has said "If you want to get rid of slavery stop catching them". Don't have to provide subsistence living to slaves, could work them to death so they're too weak to put up any resistance, work the marrow out of their bones or something, then bury them in the concrete or foundations. Burma railway, Norway death road, Great wall of China, N.Korea, Saudi Arabia, Salt mines in the Ancient World etc. Have to control communications though. Besides why is there an economic incentive for the motivation to own slaves, perhaps it is the cruelty of those involved. I mean if the "slave owner" rapes the "slaves" and then says, "look but I provide you Bed and Breakfast, oh here some money to get yourself something nice at the market, here's your wage." Is it really a wage? I remember reading a passage from Von Mises Human Action where he comments on the Industrial Revolution in England and the long working hours and early deaths of the workers and wearing out of ligaments, wasn't necessarily that people lived much longer more that children stopped dying like flies.
  7. The Search for Truth

    @GlenWillson Hi, welcome to the forum. Bit of a tease the essay, where is the depth, personally would like to have seen much fewer references, and more importantly whole passages or paragraphs from the authors quoted, instead of generalist introductions. I wouldn't really call it an essay either more of an overview, of some influential people in the field of psychology and literature. Wikipedia - "An essay is, generally, a piece of writing that gives the author's own argument — but the definition is vague, overlapping with those of an article, a pamphlet, and a short story. Essays have traditionally been sub-classified as formal and informal." It is actually a topic I have been thinking about recently. Had a person message me on the forum about "The wise does not speak, he who speaks is not wise. Tao Te Ching" I think in the search for truth there are two methods 1) The Western Socratic Dialogue in the pursuit of truth in Virtue. 2) The "Eastern Socratic Dialogue" in the pursuit of truth of (mind and body) to nature. At the end of the day you still need balls(in one form or another) to back up Virtue. Speculation: Psychedelics are something I've been thinking about as well. Imho they fragment conscientiousness making high or moderately conscientious people less so, perhaps also shifting them politically more to the left. Even though they may increase IQ and openness to experience imho (breaking a bone to have it grow back stronger, perhaps). Although what would they do to someone already low in conscientiousness? Having looked at MBTI personality types (I'm INTP) on the Internet one thing I have seen mentioned is that people who suffer with schizophrenia should not take psychedelics, Why? imho because they are already very low in conscientiousness so doing so is going to fragment their reality even more. A question that has recently entered my mind is if a person could "somehow" influence their psychology to go from a less stable learning matrix( low conscientiousness) to a more stable productive matrix (High conscientiousness). Freewill(even though I think it is a fabrication, I don't agree with determinism either another fabrication) perhaps maybe one way of going about it, dawn of the Nietzschean overman or something.
  8. Did God err in making Adam ruler over Eve?

    Yeah I don't consider Pride a sin. Hubris, but not pride. It is possible to be proud and humble, often pride gets confused with vanity; which is a lack of pride.
  9. Honour or the appearance of honour? Social metaphysicians or the protection of genesets.
  10. Hallowe'en Monad Hunt!

    Was reading the forward today of an edition of the "I Ching" done by C.G.Jung.(Rerum novarum cupidus, people are greedy for new things, his words) Anyway he mentioned western science being based on causality and statistical significance, @ofd I seem to remember you mentioning something about Karl Popper somewhere along the line of statistics in science. Also mentioned was C.G.Jung concept of "synchronicity" and how the Chinese tended to base "knowing" on specific events. Looking perhaps for the exception rather than the rule. Perhaps archetypally the Chinese psyche was more fragmented to various synchronous events astrology/zodiac, hence a random number generator with 64 combinations, Happy Halloween all year I guess for the Chinese. In contrast to the Christian One God(Freewill) being "the" synchronous event. UPB being a repudiation of synchronous events, stealing and murdering at the same time. etc Would the overlapping of the wave-function(superposition) be a kind of God? So is there some kind of "Mirror Universe" like an original episode of Star Trek? No Tantalus machines in development?
  11. Good vs Evil - Not a choice

    @S1988 Tao Te Ching, Chapter Thirty-eight A man of superior virtue is not conscious of being virtuous, hence is truly virtuous. A man of inferior virtue performs for the purpose of virtue, hence he is not virtuous. A man of superior virtue acts without action, and performs with his true nature. A man of inferior virtue acts with intentional effort. A man of superior kindness acts a natural act. A man of superior justice acts with righteousness and feelings for others. A man of superior etiquette acts according to his true self, hence no one responds to him by moving away. There, when Tao is lost, there is Te (virtue). When Te is lost, there is humanity. When humanity is lost, there is justice. When justice is lost, there is etiquette. Etiquette becomes prevalent when people fail to be sincere and honest. Hence, chaos begins. A person of knowledge and self-opinion will be hindered from the enlightenment of Tao. Thus, this is the beginning of ignorance! Therefore, one who cultivates himself with Tao, Embraces the original nature and indulges not in sensual nature. He abides by the fundamental Oneness and indulges not in sensory pleasures. Thus, abandon those desires and abide by this true essence of Tao.
  12. Hallowe'en Monad Hunt!

    So would that mean the universe is effectively made of 2 substances, one subject to gravity and the other not or its own particular gravity? Kind of fuzzy(next to no idea) on wave theory/ies and theoretical physics. Conceptually the theory, metaphysics, of "Monads"? Is some explanation of Freewill? Been thinking about the psychological effects of declaring oneself prominently an atheist. I mean if you are a-rational you are not acting subject to rationality, but neither can you be said to be irrational. In the same way that if you are a-theist you are not acting subject to God(ultimate authority), but neither does anything you do go against an ultimate authority(except perhaps an innate "passion" to make replicas of organisms containing your DNA, just for the heck of it) , whether you wish to call it "Freewill", "God the Father" or being "The Last Boy scout". One thing that has been noticed is that atheists tend to be or become socialists(focusing on particular positions or issues to resolve, "progressives"). The end goal of socialism being Communism - Lenin Another thing I have noticed is that "leftists" tend to become pan-theists(spiritualists, Consciousness) if not a-theists(physicalists, Magic Meat) which is kind of the flip side of the same coin. Freewill is something I have doubts on (consider it an illusion (or perhaps god itself), which my unconscious fudges, while being as real as night & day), whether I'm essentially rationalising expost facto, after I have unconsciously already made a decision and am justifying it consciously, perhaps to communicate that decision. So that would make "freewill" dependent on two people and would be in accordance with a Jungian collective unconscious. But with Lebnizian Monadology if true, doesn't that effectively mean you have direct connection to God? Which being in an insane world past and present, I can understand if being surrounded by tribal and fragmented people, not to say that I'm not non tribal or fragmented. Anyway sort out the knots untie the entangled. Reading the Tao Te Ching "3 treasure were listed" Kindness, Simplicity and Humility. (also kind of randomly heard the same from the head gardener, literally the day after I read the book, at a place I'm currently staying/hoboing around) Looking on Wikipedia they were also in a way comparable to Shia Islam jurisprudence(Ja'fari), which I came across fairly randomly. 1. Prayer (Kindredness towards God), 2. Fasting ( Simplicity) 3. Pilgrimage (Humility) Perhaps there is a Christian equivalent. Perhaps a bit long. So just to be even more of a pain or not. Thought the following passage was interesting from reading Zhunagzi. He too recognizes a “this,” but a “this” which is also “that,” a “that” which is also “this.” His“that” has both a right and a wrong in it; his “this” too has both a right and a wrong in it. So, in fact, does he still have a “this” and“that”? Or does he in fact no longer have a “this” and “that”? A state in which “this” and “that” no longer find their opposites is called the hinge of the Way. When the hinge is fitted into the socket, it can respond endlessly. Its right then is a single endlessness and its wrong too is a single endlessness. So, I say, the best thing to use is clarity. To use an attribute to show that attributes are not attributes is not as good as using a non-attribute to show that attributes are not attributes. To use a horse to show that a horse is not a horse is not as good as using a non-horse to show that a horse is not a horse,7 Heaven and earth are one attribute; the ten thousand things are one horse. What is acceptable we call acceptable; what is unacceptable we call unacceptable. A road is made by people walking on it; things are so because they are called so. What makes them so? Making them so makes them so. What makes them not so? Making them not so makes them not so. Things all must have that which is so; things all must have that which is acceptable. There is nothing that is not so, nothing that is not acceptable. For this reason, whether you point to a little stalk or a great pillar, a leper or the beautiful Hsi-shih, things ribald and shady or things grotesque and strange, the Way makes them all into one. Their dividedness is their completeness; their completeness is their impairment. No thing is either complete or impaired, but all are made into one again. Only the man of far reaching vision knows how to make them into one. So he has no use [for categories], but relegates all to the constant. The constant is the useful; the useful is the passable; the passable is the successful; and with success, all is accomplished. He relies upon this alone, relies upon it and does not know he is doing so. This is called the Way. But to wear out your brain trying to make things into one without realizing that they are all the same - this is called “three in the morning.” What do I mean by “three in the morning”? When the monkey trainer was handing out acorns, he said, “You get three in the morning and four at night.” This made all the monkeys furious. “Well, then,” he said, “you get four in the morning and three at night.” The monkeys were all delighted. There was no change in the reality behind the words, and yet the monkeys responded with joy and anger. Let them, if they want to. So the sage harmonizes with both right and wrong and rests in Heaven the Equalizer. This is called walking two roads. ------ Oh, better far to live and die Under the brave black flag I fly, Than play a sanctimonious part, With a pirate head and a pirate heart. Away to the cheating world go you, Where pirates all are well-to-do; -------- As opposed to the Modern Major General. Uhmmm Trick or Treat??? (more randomness, yeah bit late, but not something I've done)
  13. Hallowe'en Monad Hunt!

    Show me the money!!!!!!! Oh well as it says in the bible "money answereth all things" Not "With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse."? Isn't there something called "Dark Matter"(also an avid Youtube atheist) that is theorised to exist given the expansion of galaxies. Meaning that not everything is subject to gravitation? Bit like a movie I watched once "The first men in the moon" (1964) by H.G Wells. written 1901. I guess there remains the concept of universals. Whether they can be exploded into particulars, maybe........
  14. No such thing as a Religious Adult

    "You're not thinking 5th dimensionally Marty." If everything came from the Big Bang or just exists why is consciousness located in X entity and not some other entity, why am I me and not you? I have noticed people ascribe God like attributes to various phenomena be it the State or War, intentionally or unintentionally, perhaps archetypal in nature.
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