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  1. My Journey with FDR

    I think you wrote a perfectly good letter. Remember that if you have closure and are ready to extract yourself from the FOO, then your actions and statements should be in line with achieving that goal. You're done trying to communicate with them, explain your perspective, etc. so your letter is ONLY to get you out with as little blowback as possible, right? I think you've done a good job of this. 1. You've given the the opportunity to place the blame on you: YOU 'have fallen back into old patterns'. 2. You've given them indication in the past that they can just come back in 6 months in the future, and now you're calling it a 'break' and that you will contact them at some indeterminate time in the future when you;re ready. So you've bought yourself months of freedom to get yourself fully away. 3. You seem to be a young man, so you should have a relatively easy time moving, getting a new phone number, switching e-mails, etc. as you see fit to make it so they have no means to waltz back in 6 months expecting to see you again I hope it's all going to plan since you posted
  2. Call 4 was fantastic. The mother reminds me of dog owners I often encounter in the parks when I'm out with my dog. As soon as they see us, they start getting nervous and clutching and pulling on the leash, start barking orders for their dog to back up or come closer, and generally their dog picks up on their anxiety at our presence and then reflects that back at us as well and starts barking at my dog and pulling on his leash, etc. The dog's anxious reaction is conditioned by the anxious reaction of its owner. It seems that the mother in the call was fearful of the daughter failing to take responsibility for herself, so she conditioned the daughter to have diminished or unsuccessful responsibilities. Glad she had the courage to seek help, as Stef said. My jaw nearly hit the floor when Caller 2 stated she was working on a masters thesis. She didn't seem stupid by any means, but she was incredibly dense.
  3. Gay Family Dilemma

    It's fascinating that OP had some anxiousness towards a potential conflict with his partner.....so he came to talk to the FDR board about it. OP, go talk to your partner about this! Also, I may be taking this out of context but "has to be my genes" seems to be an ultimatum to me. I think this may be the source of your stress around opening up this conversation.
  4. These two statements contradict each other. My whole point is that you have no evidence that people are persuaded by you and seem to believe that people view you in quite the opposite light. So if that is the case, that means your pursuit of these conversations/debates is irrational. Now if you just say that you enjoy it and it 'turns you on' or however you worded it, fine. Have that as a hobby if you want, although to me that indicates some pathology. But as soon as you state a motive of changing minds and correcting errors, etc. you are behaving irrationally because your own feedback tells you that you are not achieving those goals.
  5. I would say unless you have some unique record of being super-persuasive in these situations then you are behaving irrational, and thus your being fueled by the irrationality of others and your drive to point it out to others is projection and delightfully ironic of course. Why do you think you have a drive to push back at irrational people or irrational assertions? Did you face a lot of invalid truth/moral statements as a child that you were not free to question, criticize or correct? If yes, how did you feel in these situations?
  6. I have basically stopped listening to new content, unless someone specifically asks me to listen to something. e.g. the one recently with the brother who hated his sister's boyfriend, and a few daily arguments/ I donate as a back-payment on the first ~4500 episodes. If you framed your reason for donating in that context (assuming you haven't already donated ~$2250) would you have more conviction to your desire to donate?
  7. Hi I enjoy watching your videos. I looked around Self Knowledge Daily and Youtube for a bit of background on your education and experience. Your Youtube bio lists some of your background, but I was wondering if you could expand a bit more on that. For example, I'm not familiar with the term Certified Peer Specialist and what that actually means in practice. More specifically, your education and experience in the topic of narcissism since that is your main topic you speak on...
  8. Toxic relationship and prostitutes

    Closure is about certainty, not forgiveness. So it seems like you are pretty certain this woman is not good for you, so your continued thinking, stalking, etc. with this woman are not to do with her or your relationship with her. Most likely you are uncertain and unclear about yourself in some way. You have not developed the knowledge and wisdom that would lead you to a better (or good) relationship, so you stay fixated on this horrible relationship because it is safer for you to stay fixated on her than to throw yourself into the deep end on some new horrible woman where you lack the conscious knowledge that she isn't right. That's my theory anyways. Explore your own self and your family patterns and try to find wisdom there and establish certainty and closure from there. Again, without closure about yourself, you;re never going to find this great future wife. So current YOU cannot fathom closure about your past behaviours, you still judge yourself on these actions and thus you imagine all other people would be right to as well. And until you gain the wisdom and closure to get past it yourself, other people will see that you are not past it and they will judge you. So that is why you cannot fathom being honest about yourself in the future, because future YOU is the only version of yourself that can even fathom honesty and closure
  9. Wat does your son think of going to school and sitting through each class and respecting his teachers and elders and parents all the time? What does your son think of sitting through church services and being stuck in religious instruction and activities? How does he like doing soccer practice and having multiple weekly commitments on his limited free time? If he's used to being forced to do things that are boring or undesired on a regular basis, and being compliant, I wouldn't say it is an inconsistent behaviour for him to play with Bob even though Bob is a bit of an asshole.
  10. Unable to feel love?

    Hey, I sometimes have the same thoughts about myself. In my previous relationship, there were moments or even certain days where I felt truly 'in love' with her. But it wasn't a persisting feeling at all. ANd like you, I find myself to be a generally pretty content person. I don't stress on things too much, I have a generally positive or optimistic outlook. So I don't get great spikes in excitement or happiness. One thing I've realized abut myself is that my family had mechanisms to erase enthusiasm. Enthusiasm and excitement, when i was a kid, was often framed as "being silly", "seeking attention", and otherwise treated as if i was wasting people's time to draw their attention or embarrassing myself, or something like that. I'm wondering if this connects with you at all? Also, you 'accepted', at least for argument's sake, the definition of love as "involuntary response to virtue from a virtuous person". Thus, you have defined both yourself and your girlfriend as virtuous people. Do you mind stating your case for these conclusions? What virtues do you both possess? And finally, in the relationship with my ex-girlfriend I had told her I love her when I was feeling it at the high moments, but when I was kind of stuck in the baseline contentedness of my persistent pleasant state, I also professed feelings of love for her, which I'm not sure was a right and honest way to express myself, given that I was not in touch with the same high moments any longer. Which isn't to say you need to be bursting with joy and pleasure and love 24/7 in order to profess love for someone, but perhaps fleeting moments of a loving feeling don't equate to a true persisting love for someone. I'm curious, how do you describe your feelings to your girlfriend? Do you tell her you love her? Does she tell you she loves you? Have you discussed with her what you have told us about yourself here in your post? What level of honesty and integrity about your feelings have you achieved with her in this regard? I hope some of this is helpful for you to delve deeper.
  11. One thought that was occurring to me earlier today--I was serving a client who had previously created various difficulties for me and my staff--was that people will try to project into you their own emotions. So I obviously have no evidence to the contrary, but I find it interesting that you just assume the other person in your story was unaffected after your exchange, whereas you were still stewing for an hour after. It occurs to me that this person is so vain and insecure that they were going to be perpetually re-experiencing the embarrassment of their inarticulacy that they were similarly trying to produce a negative feeling for you that would fester for a long time as well. In regards to Drew's experience, I am thinking an apt metaphor might be like a snowball, where it has been accumulating for a long time and then a single roll further adds one thin layer more of snow on the surface which draws your attention and conceals the greater mass of snow beneath that has been packed together for a long long time. You look at this hefty mass and the only part visible is the surface layer which is overall insignificant to the full mass.
  12. i actually just listened to an interesting podcast Stef did from his car in Volume 2 (about FDR400 timeframe). he talked about how people with principles aren't concerned by minutiae, whereas people without principles are slaves to minutiae. Like, if we raise the minimum wage, is $1 too little, is $5 too much? what about the student minimum, how should that be changed in comparison to the regular minimum wage? Do you phase it in over 2-3 years or just set a January 1 in-effect date? So much bullshit to exhaust yourself with, but if you have a free market principle you don't have to argue about $5 being too high and trying to prove that $3.50 is the optimal increase with intensely detailed graphs and projections.
  13. which are those, and how are they distinct from the principles of the first 200?
  14. Sorry I think the bold lettering caused a confusion as to what information I was seeking. It was RichardY who bolded "concern trolling" and that was not the part I was asking for clarification on. I was actually wanting him to clarify the first part of the post about having a footbal/soccer league/clan system. I have no idea what he's talking about with that comment.
  15. Could you clarify this? I have no idea what you're referring to.
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