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[quote user="cherapple"]but determinists say "Stef doesn't listen or give us a chance to speak!" [/quote] Because hosting a weekly internet radio call-in show does not provide enough of a chance. Because he won't take your Skype call to help resolve your personal issues through a variant of talk therapy. Because he convinces
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[quote user="Jeffrey Slater"]I guess the line is still a little blurry for me between 'dominance' and 'communicating my desires'. [/quote] If the dog doesn't do what you want, what happens? If the answer is: Retry training without negative consequences for the animal, then it's not dominance. If the answer is: Apply
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[quote user="JanC"]And that all just seems very silly to me, because determined or not, if my son's teacher calls me up and tell me my son's been in an accident, my state of mind IS being changed (from it's former state), and I will act accordingly (stop with what I'm doing, hop in the car, etc.). [/quote] Amen.
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[quote user="JanC"]Which makes it rather relevant to accurately define the term 'preferred state'[/quote] In the case of human behavior, a preferred state is any behavior a person should perform. In the case of argumentation, people tend to claim that other people should produce arguments which are true. The idea being that producing
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[quote user="JanC"]I fail to see the (performative) contradiction here.[/quote] Someone worked very hard to not notice it. I think the FB person might not know that by "preferred states", we're talking about human behavior. The argument is not about (or in reference to) physics, information systems, the future, a causal chain
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[quote user="Metric"] 1) deterministic physics doesn't have any "should" in the equations 2) you as a human being implicitly use "should" when you argue 3) therefore you aren't really convinced of deterministic physics [/quote] I'd say: 3) therefore your argument contradicts one of it's own necessary assumptions
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It's weird when determinists claim there are preferential states of human behavior.
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[quote user="Metric"]...no one else finds it a convincing argument....[/quote] I changed my position, based on his argument as it was presented in the four-way conversation several years ago. [quote user="Metric"] but it basically boils down to the fact that Stefan just can't imagine how deterministic physics could possibly give
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[quote user="ProfessionalTeabagger"]The person in this video makes the case that absolute truths are a solely religious idea and that truth can only be systemic. I don't buy what he's saying. He makes some crazy claims in the comments like that there are no truths for 1 second ago without realizing that that's a truth about 1 second
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Well, let's look at Greece. The full list of austerity measures is available here . Here's a few measures which I find especially telling: All tobacco, alcohol and fuel now subject to an additional 10 percent tax. New withholding tax applies from May 1 , 2010 on both private and public sector salaries (I can't read Greek, but there's