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  • Tue, Jan 3 2012 1:40 PM

    Blade Master [bladester] How To Elect Ron Paul

     

    Hi everybody, it's Stefan Molyneux from Freedomain Radio. So it is January 3, 2012 and tonight is in some ways the make or break for Ron Paul in Iowa. Now, I've made my position on political action clear, but of course no one can predict the future, and what I think is absolutely necessary for the rescuing of liberty from the jaws of tyranny is commitment - is commitment! So, I'm going to hand you a little gem of a speech which I think is necessary for Ron Paul to win.

     

    If you believe that Ron Paul is going to secure liberty, that Ron Paul is the best hope for the freedom of the Union, then you need to be committed - and being committed is not about personal commitment; being committed is about social commitment. I’ve run successful companies, I’ve started the largest philosophy show in the world - I know little bit about success, and I know little bit about commitments.

     

    I hope you will take this advice, because if you believe that this is how it's going to work, then you need to give it 250% if it's going to work. I don't want you to look back upon regret if Ron Paul does not succeed in the way you want him to, and kick yourself for not doing more.

     

    So: here's the more that you can do.

     

    You need to get people out to vote for Ron Paul - and that is a matter of personal commitment to the virtues that you believe Ron Paul is going to achieve.

     

    I will give you three examples.

     

    Number One: War

     

    Ron Paul as the future commander-in-chief can, it is argued, bring home all the troops and end imperialism and foreign wars. This is going to save the lives literally of hundreds of thousands of people - and thousands of Americans. Life and death - this is the import, this is the depth, this is the power of what is at stake.

     

    Life and death.

     

    The life and death of hundreds of thousands of people. You have to be pretty stone hearted to put political ideology above the lives of hundreds of thousands of people - and so you can say to people:

     

    Ron Paul has committed to ending foreign wars. Ron Paul knows what it is like to be ideologically pure; he knows what it is like to do that which is unpopular for the sake of that which is true and that which is good - and so we have every reason to believe that he will follow through on that commitment - which will save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. I am committed to saving those lives, I am committed to getting him elected. Now you need to cough up 20 bucks - and if you don't have 20 bucks, I will beg borrow or steal it for you - and you need to come down to the convention, and you need to cast your vote for Ron Paul tonight, because hundreds of thousands of people's lives literally hang in the balance.

     

    Now if you say ‘yes’ to me - if you trust me (I have studied the stuff for many years I am in depth, I am knowledgeable about these things) - if you trust me then I will thank you. I think the future will thank you, I think you will look back and look at it as a turning point in a change in your life, in a way of doing things that is even better than what you've done before.

     

    If you do this, I will thank you, because it will show me that you care about me, that you care about my opinions, that you respect where I'm coming from, that you trust me - that you love me - and I will thank you for it.

     

    It’s a favor, it's an hour or two, it’s 20 bucks - which even I will cover if you can't - but I will view it, even if you don't agree with me fully, even if you don't agree with me partially, I will ask you to trust me. I will ask you to give up an hour or two in our whole lives for the sake of something that is incredibly important to me, that I deeply care about, and that I consider essential to the way that we live - and to the future freedoms that we also value.

     

    Will you do this favor for me, even if you don't agree with me? Will you trust me? Will you spend an hour or two doing something that you may not find that interesting for the sake of our friendship? if you're a stamp collector, I will spend an hour or two looking at your stamps; if you’re a birdwatcher, I will come out with you and sit in a hutch and watch the birds; if you’re a train spotter, I will come out and note down the numbers of trains for an hour or two - because I care about what's of interest and important to you!

     

    I am asking, I am begging, I am pleading for you to have an interest in that which is important to me, to spend an hour or two for the sake of our relationship, for the sake of our friendship, to come down with me and do this thing that is so important for me. Tust do it for me - even if you don't believe in anything that I believe in - just do it for me, just trust me, just show that you will do something that is mildly inconvenient for you, for the sake of something which is incredibly important to me.

     

    So please, come.

     

    Now, if you don't - if you don't want to come with me - then I know that you don't respect what it is that I believe. I also know that we are on opposite sides of this issue - and since this issue involves the lives and deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, this is going to be a serious blow to our relationship. This is not a threat, it is just a recognition of reality: that if you are for the continuance of foreign wars, then you are for the murder of millions - of hundreds of thousands - of people. That is a serious blow to our relationship, because that tells me where you're coming from morally. It also tells me that you don't trust me, it also tells me that you don't respect me - it also tells me that you're not willing to put out a little bit of inconvenience for the sake of something that is incredibly important to me - and I also believe incredibly important to you. But you need to come down with me. I will thank you, I will buy you dinner, I will do whatever it takes to make that as enjoyable as possible- but you need to come down with me and do this.

     

    If you do it, I will thank you, we will be closer, we can talk about it – fantastic! If you won't do it – well, I know where you stand and I know where our relationship is - and that will be very sorrowful for me, that would be very sad for me, to know that I'm not trusted, to know that I'm not respected, to know that a minor inconvenience to you is more important than that which is deeply held and a passionate conviction for me.

     

    The Federal Reserve

    Yes I know - I bring up the Federal Reserve, everyone rolls their eyes - but surely you've noticed that everything's getting more expensive. Surely you've noticed that there are no jobs around – surely you’ve noticed that the national debt is getting bigger and bigger - surely these are not facts that are subjective or crazy on my part to bring forward.

     

    The Federal Reserve is going to destroy the currency, because there's no way to pay off the national debt; they can’t repudiate it, they can’t tax their way out of it, they can't print their way out of it - it is simply too big.

     

    Ron Paul's commitment to end the Federal Reserve is the only chance we have for any kind of stable currency. If you think that's important, it is. I If you think is not important, you just have remember what happened in Germany when hyperinflation hit, or what happened in Argentina or other places when hyperinflation hit.

     

    It is a road to tyranny.

     

    Because people panic when their bank accounts evaporate. The poor can’t eat - food is too expensive, gas is too expensive, the economy grinds to a halt.

     

    Money is the lifeblood of the economy – if you corrupt the money, you corrupt the economy. If you destroy the money, you destroy the people, because everything that we do - the cities that we have - everything is reliant upon sound currency! All the economic transactions that bring food into cities, that bring gasoline from overseas, that pay people, that is money in the bank, that is life savings - that is people’s blood sweat equity from their entire lives - is at risk of evaporation if the Federal Reserve continues to create the kind of money - the massive amounts of monopoly money that it has over the past few years.

     

    This is important - just because you can't see it yet doesn't mean it's not happen. A smoker smokes for a long time – decades possibly - before he gets sick, if he’s going to get sick. That doesn't mean it's not dangerous, that doesn't mean it's not bad - and this is even more certain than lung cancer! This is math - and I care about the stability of the economy. I care about people having jobs. I care about people's life savings not getting wiped out - at two levels: one, because I don't want people's life savings to get wiped out – and neither should you - and second, because when people's life savings do get wiped out – and when they can't buy food - they turn to extreme political measures – always. And that is very dangerous for us. It is very dangerous for me in particular, having been out there as an advocate for freedom publicly for many years. You are putting me at risk if you support a continuance of the existing policies of the government - there is indefinite detention at the will of the government. It is dangerous for me – come and help me gain some protection from someone who's going to repeal this stuff that is putting me in danger, because I've been out there for so many years as a freedom advocate.

     

    Help me - give me some security, give me some safety, give me some protection - and give yourself some protection from the extreme reactions of people who are gonna panic when they can't buy food and their savings are gone!

     

    So - let's prevent this; let’s get someone into power who is going to deal with this, who is going to keep us safe from the dangers - the inevitable road to tyranny - that results from hyperinflation and debasement of the currency

     

    The Drug War

    Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens are locked in abusive, destructive, repulsive degrading cages for the innocent act of carrying and smoking pieces of vegetation that some people don't like.

     

    I myself, I don’t use drugs - but what does that have to do with anything? There are hundreds of thousands of people who are caged - in cages - their lives destroyed, having to check off criminal records for the rest of their lives - their lives smashed into atoms by the callous brutality of a prohibition against that which people disapprove of - in the same way that temperance unions disapproved of alcohol and foisted Prohibition upon the nation – we all know how that went! That was a massive invitation for organized crime to come in and take control of society. There was almost no organized crime before Prohibition - Prohibition created the incentive for organized crime - it has drawn thousands and thousands of young people into a life of crime, because we have on the one hand very little job opportunities for them, because of the death of manufacturing - and on the other hand, we have the incredible short-term incentive gains of the drug war.

     

    It has caused the corruption of the police force, it has added to the national debt, it is causing an increasing militarization of the police force in America, it has created huge problems internationally, as America bombs fields in Colombia and Mexico, and supplies arms to people out there - both the government and the criminals - it has caused a massive degradation, it has added to the national debt - it is catastrophic, and anyone that you know could be picked up by this craziness - you don't think that cops ever plant drugs on anyone they don't like? I am at risk for this kind of treatment, for this kind of behavior.

     

    This has to end - we have to set these people free. This is a way to deal with the budget issues, this is a way to deal with civil liberties issues - and if you are not going to support Ron Paul with me today, if you are going to avoid that hour or two of inconvenience that I'm asking you - I'm begging you, I'm pleading with you - to provide to me, to provide to the country, to provide to the future, to lay the foundation for the security and freedom of tomorrow - then I know that you are for innocent, peaceful people being locked in abusive, degrading, destructive, inhumane cages - and that is a serious blow to our friendship, because I don't think that I can actually respect someone who is for the murder of hundreds of thousands overseas - who is for the kidnapping and imprisonment and locking in cages of peaceful people - and who is for inflation, which robs from the poor - for the coming instability of a currency crash which is been predicted – hey, don't listen to me, there are thousands of experts out there a saying exactly what I'm saying! I'm not making this up, this is a fact, it has happened before in history, it will happen again in history - but I damn well do not want it to happen here, because this is the Shining City on the Hill, this is the bastion of freedom, this is the last and best hope of mankind – here!

     

    Because if tyranny happens here, the lights go out across the world.

     

    The lights go out across the world.

     

    Because this was the noblest and freest experiment in history.

     

    This was the city on a hill, built on the foundation of principle - of property rights, of nonaggression - of the peaceful and voluntary interaction, trade and resolution of conflicts between citizens.

     

    Of a tiny government, of a minimal government, of a miniscule government - which has grown and swollen like a cancer, until it is going to overwhelm and slaughter the body politic.

     

    If we cannot be free, none can be free - and you need to come down with me tonight, and you need to put that checkbox in - that is all I am asking, and you can mock me and berate me until the end of time, but I'm just asking for an hour or two.

     

    I've made my case - I hope that you will accept my case. If you do not accept my case, don't do it because you believe it's right - just do it for me, just do it for me.

     

    Sometimes your doctor will tell you to do stuff that seems counterintuitive, that is painful - go to rehab if you break your leg, it's really painful and it's hard but you do it because you trust the doctor.

     

    I have studied this for many years. I am passionately out there in public, trying to forward the ideals of liberty - just do it for me, do it for our friendship, do it for the credit that I have built up as a friend of yours for many years – please, please, please come down with me, mark that checkbox - set us free!

     

     

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  • Tue, Jan 3 2012 2:07 PM In reply to

    • GregG
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    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    Obviously, I need not tell you this, but these folk aren't asking their friends or loved ones.They're asking randomly canvassed prior registered Republican voters over the telephone.

    Canvassed prior voters aren't going to give two hoots about the canvasser's friendships, his "credibility", his life, his safety, or any other blasted thing than "what's Paul gonna do for me".

    That is how the man managed to stay elected in Texas all these years.

     

     

  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 12:08 AM In reply to

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    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    Is this an honest expression of your beliefs or are you role playing someone who believes in political action? 

     

     

    edit: I hope I don't sound hostile by that question. Its just if you start supporting government even in the tiniest amount I'm sending my money to Larken Rose ;)

  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 6:31 AM In reply to

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    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    He is handing those who DO believe in political action, a big, fat, juicy gift.

    By lending his considerable speaking talent, intellectual skill, and philosophical insight in the form of a suggested canvassing speech, to those who do believe political action is the way, he offers them the best possible chance of acheiving their goal -- which, at least apparently, is the same as our goal: an increase in the amount of human freedom and happiness.

    Stef has said, at least a few times, that people involved in the freedom movement - especially those who present themselves as intellectual resources - need to have a conversation about goals and tactics. And, that his own opposition to political action is not a personal vendetta. Given that a large percentage of the movement refuses to even engage in this conversation (let alone acknowledge the validity of his argument), the best you can hope for is to offer them your generosity, until they do.

     

  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 12:24 PM In reply to

    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    I'm with Alpha Duck, I too felt quite confused and eyebrow raisy about this one.  It's sort of a devil's advocate position, but not exactly. So I've got The Truth About Voting in one hand and this one in the other and going, "Wait…what? Is he…? Flip-flop!? Whaaa?"  There's some subtlety and ambiguity at work here which I haven't fully decoded.  It's safe to say that this video won't be interpreted the same depending on how much FDR backstory (backphilosophy?) one has.  Hmmm.

     

    "The government always sneaks in when I'm half seized-over and purloins the very thread from my hanky!" - Joad Cressbeckler

  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 2:24 PM In reply to

    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    it's the same argument I made in 2008, in my video An Open Letter to Ron Paul Supporters, with a little bit more push

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  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 3:52 PM In reply to

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    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    I thought it was great in that it's pretty much the most compelling case anyone can make to another person to vote for Ron Paul, if that's what they truly believe.

    I don't understand something, though... there are several people who are taking this as your endorsement of Ron Paul, despite the fact that you state your opinion on political action as well as what the video is about up front.  Why are people getting so messed up?  Part of me says, "They're just not paying attention," but is it that simple, or BiB, or something else?

  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 4:25 PM In reply to

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    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    The 2008 argument (starting about 2m20s), edited for some brevity:

    An Open Letter To Ron Paul Supporters:
    ...I'm talking here particularly to the Ron Paul supporters who really do yearn and burn for freedom in their lives, in their environment, in their world.... I really do admire and respect, for what it's worth, the energy and the devotion that you have poured into... this pursuit... I believe that for most of you it comes from a really good place...

    ...Your energy, and your intelligence, and your verbal skills, and your debating skills, and your passion and your resources are still needed to free the world. They're still needed to free the world!

    If it didn't happen this way, then you still can help the world. You still can free the world! And you won't be dependent upon politics and your fellow voters, and how much money gets donated, how much time and energy - you won't be subjected to that which you cannot control!

    That's what I want to offer - Freedom, in your life, to a far greater degree than Ron Paul could have ever provided, even if he achieved everything he wanted. Freedom in your own personal life, that is not dependent - THAT IS NOT DEPENDENT - upon things outside your control, like who votes for what, and what gets allowed, and what congress permits, and so on.

    That's what I want to offer you: Control over the liberty that you can have within your own life.

    That will never come to you through politics.  Because politics is dependent - if we take out all the moral considerations - just from a practical standpoint, politics is dependent upon the choices of the majority, which you cannot control. It is dependent upon the backroom deals made in the political arenas which you have no knowledge of and no awareness of - no more than I do.

    You can't ever end up with anything other than frustration and nihilism when you put your own personal liberty - your capacity to achieve your own personal liberty - in the hands of events, circumstances, choices, groups, people, who are outside of your control. As everyone is outside of your control, the only person who's actions you can control, is your own....

    ...You can have freedom now! But it's not gonna come through politics, and it's not gonna come through pounding lawn signs into turf, and it's not gonna come through marching and carrying signs, and its not gonna come through voting, because that's all surrendering the power of your life, your choice, your individuality, to things outside your control.

    You don't get power and freedom in your life by surrendering to things that are outside of your control. You just don't. It's tempting.

    But, there is another way...

    To me, I'm a mountaineer, climbing toward freedom. I tried sitting at the base of the mountain and willing my way to the top with concentration. I tried talking to everybody else, and saying we'll get to the top when at least half of us want to go to the top! But that didn't do me any good. That didn't make me free. Running around base came yelling "Let's clime Everest! Let's all get together and climb Everest!" but everyone's indifferent, they don't care. They're saying, "Hey, I snap my fingers, I'm at the top of Everest! I just choose not to! Why would I climb? I can fly!"

    That's Politics. Running around trying to get everyone to go up the mountain.

    In my particular perspective - not saying this is objectively true or anything - but when you run around basecamp trying to get everyone to come climb the mountain with you... what you're basically doing, is you're avoiding climbing the mountain.

    I did. I did for many years... I was just running around, wasting my time. And surrendering my personal liberty to the acceptance or rejection of other people! And that's what politics is, and that's what 'mere' debating is, and that's what political Libertarianism is.

    Not only does it not work to bring you freedom, it actually makes you enslaved. It actually specifically and completely lowers the total freedom in your life. LOWERS the freedom in your life. Just as chasing after Ron Paul, and hoping that he's gonna make you free. It takes power AWAY from you! You surrender your capacity for human liberty and joy to whether you can convince indifferent people, "Please! Set me free!" 

    Well, you don't need to convince anybody. You don't need to run around basecamp saying, "Oh, Let's climb the mountain!" Because, you know what you can do? I'm sorry to be annoying, but let me just make the point: you can just climb the mountain.

    The basecamp is politics. Climbing the mountain - being a mountaineer - that, my friends, is philosophy. It's philosophy!

    Philosophy is your choices. Philosophy is giving the power to you. Philosophy means that you don't have to wait, you don't have to hope, you don't have to pray, and you don't have to beg, and you don't have to pay, to become free. You can just... CLIMB THE MOUNTAIN...

    The mountain is a complex thing... but it's about setting yourself free from fear. It's about setting setting others free. It is about showing people what a free life looks like, which is FAR more convincing to get people to think about liberty, and to live freedom. It is FAR more convincing to live a free and beautiful and loving and joyful life yourself, than to send people links to how bad the fed is. That doesn't set people free.

    If you want to be a beacon for freedom, you have to be free. And if you're running around trying to convince people to vote for your guy, so that that we can all be free, you're not free! Because you're begging other people, "PLEASE! Let me be free! Please! Join me, all of you, so we can climb the mountain!" No, if you want to climb the mountain, climb the mountain. Just be free in your life. No unchosen positive obligations. No relationships except those based on virtue and integrity and joy! No seeing people in your life, just because you're historically obligated to, and if you don't take pleasure, being REALLY honest with people in your life, about your thoughts and feelings, and not just about the fact that you think we should have no income tax. That's just an abstract political debate.

    I'm talking about LIVING freedom in your life. Today. Tomorrow. Next Month. Next year. Showing people what freedom really LOOKS like! Not just describing it in abstract political, economic terms! But SHOWING them! Showing them with the example of your life, and what it is to live as a free human being yourself - regardless of taxation! Regardless of regulation! 

    When we truly LIVE, as free spirits, as free souls, by god, we - we OUTGROW the state! You make the state seem ridiculous! You spread joy, and freedom, and virtue in your life, to the point where people will think, 'well why do we even need a state?'

    We have to outgrow the state. We can't out-argue the state, we can't out-debate it, we can't vote it out of existence. We have to just grow as human beings, to the point where the state just seems ridiculous...

    ...This is a multi-generational project that starts with you, and not with voting. Not with research about politics. Or with studying the Constitution. Constitutions don't stop bullets. We've seen that for 200 years... It starts with you commiting to living a free life yourself. To showing people what freedom looks like in their faces, in your life. In YOUR example. Living life without fear. Without self-subjugation. Without guilt. Without having to manipulate people! Without having to beg people!

    But living life with such a strength and independence of PRIDE, that the idea of being 'ruled' by some ass-clown like George Bush is comedy! That's how we get rid of the state! We grow ourselves so large, that the shackles will simply fall away of their own accord - and THAT, YOU have control over! You don't have to wait for someone to get voted in to do that.

    But THAT - THAT is hard. THAT is really, really hard. It's beautiful - it goes without saying, that it's really beautiful - but: it's hard. It's a lot harder than donating to politics, and signing petitions, and forwarding articles.

    I know, all that comes from a good place, and you think that that's gonna work. But it's not gonna work. Never has, never will. We've been trying these political solutions for hundreds of years, and the state gets bigger, and bigger, and bigger all the time.

    But we need to become so large and so powerful, that the state is smaller than we are. That the soullessness of the state is dwarfed next to the size of our own souls! To have such freedom that it is INFECTIOUS to be in your presence! THAT is what we need! THAT we can control! THAT we can do something about! We are not dependent upon other peoples' permissions, to be free!

    You show people such a white light of freedom, that the state becomes a laughable entity....

    You have the complete power to create a free society called 'YOU', with you at the epicenter! I've said this before, and I'll say it again: I would rather have a joyful marriage and 50% taxation, than NO taxation and a crappy marriage, or a crappy divorce, or a bad relationship with my children, or negative and draining friendships, or dull obligations to a family that I don't like that I still follow! THAT'S the REAL state that you have control over, not dip-shits in Washington....

    If REALLY living as a free man and a free woman doesn't bring down the state, and you die with the state still around, SO WHAT? If the least that you achieve is a free and joyful life, is that really such a terrible thing?

    It's philosophy that sets us free. Not politics."

    Hope this helps....

  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 4:52 PM In reply to

    • Joebom
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    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

     I found this confusing also.   The way Stef kept referring to himself and his dangerous position made me think he really wants RP to win.  The gun of statism is ready to be used.   When the gun is out questions of morality are irrevalent.   Can voting be justified as a form of self-defence?  

  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 5:09 PM In reply to

    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    Allow me to highlight the salient points of the video, for those who are confused:

    Hi everybody, it's Stefan Molyneux from Freedomain Radio. So it is January 3, 2012 and tonight is in some ways the make or break for Ron Paul in Iowa. Now, I've made my position on political action clear, but of course no one can predict the future, and what I think is absolutely necessary for the rescuing of liberty from the jaws of tyranny is commitment - is commitment! So, I'm going to hand you a little gem of a speech which I think is necessary for Ron Paul to win.

     

    If you believe that Ron Paul is going to secure liberty, that Ron Paul is the best hope for the freedom of the Union, then you need to be committed - and being committed is not about personal commitment; being committed is about social commitment. I’ve run successful companies, I’ve started the largest philosophy show in the world - I know little bit about success, and I know little bit about commitments.

     

    I hope you will take this advice, because if you believe that this is how it's going to work, then you need to give it 250% if it's going to work. I don't want you to look back upon regret if Ron Paul does not succeed in the way you want him to, and kick yourself for not doing more.

    ...

    Stef repeatedly says "if you believe" and "if you think" political action is going to work, then do everything you can to further Ron Paul's chances. Stef never said that he believes political action is going to work. In fact, he has very often said the opposite.

    There is no contradiction here.

  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 7:34 PM In reply to

    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    Charlotte:

     

    Stef repeatedly says "if you believe" and "if you think" political action is going to work, then do everything you can to further Ron Paul's chances. Stef never said that he believes political action is going to work. In fact, he has very often said the opposite.

    There is no contradiction here.

    If, then, the intent is to insure a Ron Paul defeat by getting Paul supporters to employ the advice he is advocating in the video, it's interesting that he's applying much of the same reasoning tactics he's long advocated with regard to winning others over to Anarchism.     

    But, then, if he really is trying to make sure Ron Paul loses the election (a motive which seems consistent with previous statements about how disasterous it would be if Paul won)  why did he recently stand up for Paul in his video refuting ongoing racist accusations leveled against him? Woudn't it be more conducive to Paul's defeat to let him look racist?

     

  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 7:41 PM In reply to

    • JackB
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    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    David L:
    If, then, the intent is to insure a Ron Paul defeat by getting Paul supporters to employ the advice he is advocating in the video, it's interesting that he's applying much of the same reasoning tactics he's long advocated with regard to winning others over to Anarchism. 
    It is my understanding that he wants people who believe that political action can solve problems to actually get Ron Paul elected as a form of emperical test.

    Either Ron Paul actually does solve all the problems that his supporters believe that he can as president or else he won't and then there will no more reason for people to cling to political solutions.

  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 8:32 PM In reply to

    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    JackB:

    David L:
    If, then, the intent is to insure a Ron Paul defeat by getting Paul supporters to employ the advice he is advocating in the video, it's interesting that he's applying much of the same reasoning tactics he's long advocated with regard to winning others over to Anarchism. 
    It is my understanding that he wants people who believe that political action can solve problems to actually get Ron Paul elected as a form of emperical test.

    Either Ron Paul actually does solve all the problems that his supporters believe that he can as president or else he won't and then there will no more reason for people to cling to political solutions.

    This.

  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 8:42 PM In reply to

    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    JackB:

    It is my understanding that he wants people who believe that political action can solve problems to actually get Ron Paul elected as a form of emperical test.

    Either Ron Paul actually does solve all the problems that his supporters believe that he can as president or else he won't and then there will no more reason for people to cling to political solutions.

    What about his previous statements conjecturing that if Paul got elected, it would be a total catastrophe for freedom?

    I think in one video he said something to the effect that it would set freedom back a thousand years, because it would give Libertarianism such a bad name in light of all the collosal failures that are inevitable for the US government in the next few years. 

    In other words, should Paul get into office, he would be presiding over a complete economic nightmare, and it would give him (and thus the word freedom) an economic stigma that would last for millenia, thus a total government tyranny would descend upon us as the only viable alternative for that long.

     

     

  • Wed, Jan 4 2012 8:57 PM In reply to

    Re: How To Elect Ron Paul

    This whole effects-of-electing-Ron-Paul thing...

    It's a tough call. First, I'm no fortune teller. 

    Second, I probably don't know enough to comment on it, as I could talk myself in and out of it either way.

    More information is needed to make a rational assessment of it...

    But consider that people still justify Bush and Obama, despite the fact that they started wars that bankrupted the nation...

    And if at any moment, everybody just decided "no more government" then it would be done.

    Yeah...maybe the world just isn't ready to change yet...at least not so quickly.

    Self-knowledge. Not self-erasure.

     

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