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  • Sun, Jan 2 2011 4:59 PM

    • neurosport
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    Is the world worth saving ?

    Is the world worth saving ?  Let's assume that the world can be saved from itself ( which it can't ) what would be the point ?  The answer is there wouldn't be any.

     

    Suppose after we are dead everyone in the world will be happy - will you care ?  No you won't because you will be dead.

     

    You may care today while you're alive ... but if you can't even control your own desires, what makes you think you will be able to control those of others to effect the change ?

     

    Now given that we're not going to try to help anybody except ourselves ... how are we then different from the parasites whom we seek to expose ?  We're not.

     

    We are then accusing them of the very same kind of hypocrisy of which we are guilty ourselves.  Obviously there can be no moral justification for this so there must be some practical benefit to it instead ?  But there isn't.

     

    Seems like we're wasting our time.

     

    I have a better idea !  Since you all have nothing better to do - why don't you just send all your money to me ?  I know this isn't logical but it haven't stopped you before has it ?

     

    LOL

     

    PS:  i'm counting on your imagination to decipher what it is i am trying to say here because my brain already went to sleep.

     

    good luck !

  • Sun, Jan 2 2011 5:37 PM In reply to

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    Re: Is the world worth saving ?

    neurosport:
    Is the world worth saving ?  Let's assume that the world can be saved from itself ( which it can't ) what would be the point ?  The answer is there wouldn't be any.


    Depends on what you mean by "saving the world."
     

    neurosport:
    Suppose after we are dead everyone in the world will be happy - will you care ?  No you won't because you will be dead.


    True enough

    neurosport:
    You may care today while you're alive ... but if you can't even control your own desires, what makes you think you will be able to control those of others to effect the change ?


    What do you mean by controlling my desires?  I desired a wrap 15 minutes ago, so I had one.  As for what other people desire, I don't particularly care, as long as they are not trying to use force to obtain it.


    neurosport:
    Now given that we're not going to try to help anybody except ourselves ... how are we then different from the parasites whom we seek to expose ?  We're not.


    The fact that people are out for themselves is generally a good thing.  Kind of the whole basis of the invisible hand.  I don't think anyone here is arguing that self interest is a bad thing, only that the initiation of force is.  The "parasites" want to use force to get what they want, I don't, and I think most of the people here don't, so I would submit that is the key difference.


    neurosport:
    We are then accusing them of the very same kind of hypocrisy of which we are guilty ourselves.  Obviously there can be no moral justification for this so there must be some practical benefit to it instead ?  But there isn't.



    A practical benefit of opposing force?  I don't know, I like to keep my things mine.  Seems like a practical benefit to me.

    neurosport:
    Seems like we're wasting our time.



    Your time is yours to do with what you want.

    neurosport:
    I have a better idea !  Since you all have nothing better to do - why don't you just send all your money to me ?  I know this isn't logical but it haven't stopped you before has it ?


    I'm not sending you any money until you produce something that I want.  Stefan is producing content that I enjoy, therefore, I support it.  Your moral outrage to people getting fleeced seems odd, since there are no moral justifications for anything.

  • Sun, Jan 2 2011 5:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: Is the world worth saving ?

    neurosport:
    Is the world worth saving ?
     

    Well . . . I'm not really pretentious enough to attempt something like that.  Though I do care about certain individuals in the world because they are good people and I help them as I can if they are willing.

    neurosport:
    what makes you think you will be able to control those of others to effect the change ?

    Not particularly interested in controlling other people as much as seeking out those that are friendly and respectful.

    neurosport:

    Now given that we're not going to try to help anybody except ourselves ... how are we then different from the parasites whom we seek to expose ?  We're not.

     If this were a trial, I'd raise the objection "asked and answered."  Sounds like you're really not asking a question as much as you are making an accusation.  BTW, who is the "we" you are referring to?  I ask because I know it doesn't include me.

    neurosport:
    why don't you just send all your money to me ?

    Big Smile Good luck with that.

    Athena

     

    Life is empty and meaningless and it's empty and meaningless that it's empty and meaningless.

  • Sun, Jan 2 2011 9:04 PM In reply to

    Re: Is the world worth saving ?

    Yes, it is worth saving. I have great investment in the world at the moment! My DNA would also like to be in a good(non-dead) position in the future.

    neurosport:
    Now given that we're not going to try to help anybody except ourselves ... how are we then different from the parasites whom we seek to expose ?  We're not.

    Selfish action is good. In fact it is the only good. We are parasites with regards for our equals and kind, remember.

    I too am accepting donations

  • Sun, Jan 2 2011 9:49 PM In reply to

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    Re: Is the world worth saving ?

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    George    

    I believe that you are  saying is that the world is not worth saving---

    It is the nature of present day man, that is destroying the world.

    And  unless  man is  determined to change  himself-with a new vision as  to how he  will relate to  the  planet and each other-

    Then there is no purpose to  save  humanity---

    man will continue  to  destroy  this  planet  and  each other.

    The  horror-in the  world—is  just a reflection  of  the  horror  that is  inside  of  each and every one of  us.

    It  is  far  better   for  Homo sapiens to  become  extinct then  to  bring this  curse  upon  our races   future.

    And if  it  were  within my power  to  save  this  horrid  evil species---I  would  refuse.

    You are on this planet as caretakers—but  all you are capable of  is  destruction.

    You question really  is—are  there  people here that  I can  relate  with—or  should  I  look somewhere  else…..again—welcome--

    Curious   you don’t seem to be putting the  blame on the  government  or  system or  corporations---like  everyone  else-

    You appear  to  be  placing the  blame—directly  on each and every one of  us—

    That’s  interesting      I  never  thought  of  it  that  way---

    Why did I not think of  it?

    How do you say fuck you in Russian-   i'm counting on your imagination to decipher that-lol

     

  • Mon, Jan 3 2011 8:32 AM In reply to

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    Re: Is the world worth saving ?

    zombie:
    I believe that you are  saying is that the world is not worth saving

    i am not insisting on that, but suggesting that it is likely the case.

    zombie:
    It is the nature of present day man, that is destroying the world.

    when i said the world i meant humanity.  i don't care about the world outside humanity.  and i care about humanity itself less and less with every passing day.

    zombie:
    And  unless  man is  determined to change  himself-with a new vision as  to how he  will relate to  the  planet and each other-

    Then there is no purpose to  save  humanity

    once again that depends on what you mean by saving.  when i said save i meant improve the condition from what it is now to something tolerable.  which i don't think is possible by the way.  i think life is fundamentally intolerable no matter how it is organized.

    zombie:

    man will continue  to  destroy  this  planet  and  each other.

    stop worrying about the planet so much - you are not working for Al Gore by any chance ?  as far as destroying each other - yes, that is in our genes.  however in the not too distant future all the destruction will be courtesy of global government and we will be under such total tyrannical dictatorship that we will scarcely notice each other, let alone destroy anybody.

    zombie:

    The  horror-in the  world—is  just a reflection  of  the  horror  that is  inside  of  each and every one of  us.

    yes.

    zombie:
    It  is  far  better   for  Homo sapiens to  become  extinct then  to  bring this  curse  upon  our races   future.

    well that depends on what you mean by "better".  i tend to generally agree with your statement but i think what is "better" needs some clarification here.

    zombie:

    And if  it  were  within my power  to  save  this  horrid  evil species---I  would  refuse.

    i think you are not being intellectually honest with yourself here.  if you and i were truly this resolute we would have ended our own lives already.

    zombie:

    You are on this planet as caretakers—but  all you are capable of  is  destruction.

    no that's enviro-fascism speaking again.  this is a delusion.

    zombie:
    You question really  is—are  there  people here that  I can  relate  with

    no i'm really past that stage.  i don't want any people in my life - not even myself :)

    zombie:

    Curious   you don’t seem to be putting the  blame on the  government  or  system or  corporations---like  everyone  else-

    You appear  to  be  placing the  blame—directly  on each and every one of  us—

    i'm not putting the "blame" on everybody.  as the saying goes the people get the government they deserve.  i like to extend this statement to the people get what they deserve period.  and this view is not as uncommon as you're making it out to be.

     

  • Mon, Jan 3 2011 2:35 PM In reply to

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    neurosport

     

    neurosport---  when i said the world i meant humanity.  i don't care about the world outside humanity.  and i care about humanity itself less and less with every passing day.

    Zombie   ---Interesting---you couldn’t care  less about  other life  forms-or the  natural environment—your concern  is  only for  the  human  race  and  its  future---are  searching for a way to  help  us?  Or  are  you  searching for a way to  escape  your  pain?

     

    neurosport  stop worrying about the planet so much - you are not working for Al Gore by any chance ?

    Zombie--- Al Gore  is  getting richer-from his  movement, and love’s to feel powerful-he  could care less about the  environment-if you wish to help the environment –you can send a check directly to his Swiss bank account---#347323238  routing #654343749 send it  to  save the  little fishes.--lol

    Neurosport  ----as far as destroying each other - yes, that is in our genes.

    Zombie   -We can’t rewrite our Genes—But we can change  the  expression of those  genes---

    neurosport  however in the not too distant future all the destruction will be courtesy of global government and we will be under such total tyrannical dictatorship that we will scarcely notice each other, let alone destroy anybody.

    Zombie the group of filthy rich men(that control us) and our governments  -are  trying to convince  us  that they are  trying to take over the  whole  world—just  another  disinformation campaign-to  consolidate their power over   us. –There are   many   groups that each  control a  piece of the  world-

    our  masters  will merge  Europe, Russia, north America—into a Tyrannical dictatorship---

    But there is another group of masters-that will control   china, Arabs India Africa—which will also live under a combined tyrannical dictatorship’s.

    Earth’s natural resources  have  just  reached a point  that  both  groups  will have go to war (with each other) for control of the  remaining  resources oil, water, food—it has already started-

    It will be  like  two  dogs  fighting for a  bone—both dogs  kill each other (and  all there  slaves)

    And we  the  survivors (a third  “little” dog) --will inherit  the  earth—soon we will need to write  --how  we  want the new earth to be  government  and how  we  will agree to treat each other.

    neurosport     i meant improve the condition from what it is now to something tolerable.

    Zombie  I think that life is intolerable  -because we have made  it  that way-we  can’t improve the condition of  life  without   first  changing  ourselves

      neurosport.  i think life is fundamentally intolerable no matter how it is organized.

    Zombie  then we are in agreement? The solution to  humanity’s  problems-is  not  to  change  our  outward environment (government) we  must  cause  a  change  within ourselves-

     zombie your  question really  is—are  there  people here that  I can  relate  with

    neurosport  no i'm really past that stage.  i don't want any people in my life - not even myself

    Zombie  as I suspected—you are  awakening?

      neurosport i'm not putting the "blame" on everybody.  as the saying goes the people get the government they deserve.  i like to extend this statement to the people get what they deserve period.  and this view is not as uncommon as you're making it out to be.

    Zombie   here you say—the people get what they deserve---and the people get what they deserve period!  This appears to be an emotional statement -I suggest that you search its origin in your  mind?

    I already  know  its origins?

     

     

    zombie

  • Tue, Jan 4 2011 10:08 AM In reply to

    • neurosport
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    Re: Is the world worth saving ?

    Taylor:
    I desired a wrap 15 minutes ago, so I had one.
     

     

    eating shit is nothing to be proud of.  watch the playlist on my page:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/g1981c?feature=mhum#p/p

    with Alex Jones interviewing Mike Adams.

    Taylor:
    What do you mean by controlling my desires?

    the desire to save the world is your own selfish subjective perceived need.  it would appear that controlling your whims is less retarded than trying to change the world to fit them.


    Taylor:
    The "parasites" want to use force to get what they want, I don't, and I think most of the people here don't, so I would submit that is the key difference.

    the only reason you don't is because you don't have any.

    Taylor:
    A practical benefit of opposing force?  I don't know, I like to keep my things mine.  Seems like a practical benefit to me.

    that's stupid.  if you want more for yourself you have to steal it from somebody weak, not defend it from somebody strong.

  • Tue, Jan 4 2011 10:16 AM In reply to

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    Re: Is the world worth saving ?

    Athena MR:
     I do care about certain individuals in the world because they are good people and I help them as I can if they are willing.

    that's sweet.  unfortunately there is no such thing as a good person.  all people are cockroaches.  it's only our schizophrenia that turns those cockroaches into "loved ones".

    Athena MR:
    Not particularly interested in controlling other people as much as seeking out those that are friendly and respectful.

    you mean you are so insecure that you constantly need people to kiss your ass to boost your self esteem ?

    Athena MR:
     If this were a trial, I'd raise the objection "asked and answered."  Sounds like you're really not asking a question as much as you are making an accusation.

    that's part of my personal charm.

    Athena MR:
      BTW, who is the "we" you are referring to?  I ask because I know it doesn't include me.

    well statistically people are lemmings so i refer to all of you as "we" so you think that i am one of you but of course i am not.

     

  • Tue, Jan 4 2011 10:23 AM In reply to

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    HousefullOfNothing:
    I have great investment in the world at the moment!

    being thrown into a meat grinder doesn't mean that you have investment in steel industry.

    HousefullOfNothing:
    My DNA would also like to be in a good(non-dead) position in the future.

    why would you care about what your disease wants ?  if your schizophrenia wants you to jump off the roof that doesn't make it logical.

    HousefullOfNothing:
    Selfish action is good. In fact it is the only good. We are parasites with regards for our equals and kind, remember.

    i can agree that selfish action is the only good.  but people who try to save the world usually believe that they have to make personal sacrifices for it.  isn't it a contradiction then ?

  • Tue, Jan 4 2011 10:33 AM In reply to

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    Re: Is the world worth saving ?

     i'm not sure about the world, but nyc is not worth saving.

  • Tue, Jan 4 2011 10:38 AM In reply to

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    Re: Is the world worth saving ?

    zombie:
    are  searching for a way to  help  us?  Or  are  you  searching for a way to  escape  your  pain?

    i don't care about any of you and i don't hope to escape pain.  i seek truth.

    zombie:
    Al Gore  ...  could care less about the  environment.

    al gore is an intelligent man therefore he only cares about himself.

    zombie:
    There are   many   groups that each  control a  piece of the  world-

    at the moment yes.  power needs external conflict to justify its domestic tyranny.  however in the 21st century technology may do away with such need and total enslavement might be possible with a single world government.

    zombie:

    our  masters  will merge  Europe, Russia, north America—into a Tyrannical dictatorship---

    But there is another group of masters-that will control   china, Arabs India Africa—which will also live under a combined tyrannical dictatorship’s.

    let's not speculate about irrelevant details.

    zombie:

    Earth’s natural resources  have  just  reached a point  that  both  groups  will have go to war (with each other) for control of the  remaining  resources oil, water, food—it has already started-

    It will be  like  two  dogs  fighting for a  bone—both dogs  kill each other (and  all there  slaves)

    And we  the  survivors (a third  “little” dog) --will inherit  the  earth—soon we will need to write  --how  we  want the new earth to be  government  and how  we  will agree to treat each other.

    don't be so optimistic that the elites will fight to supply you with resources.  they will simply euthanize you as they're already doing through food and water additives and chemtrails.

    zombie:
    I think that life is intolerable  -because we have made  it  that way

    no.  its intolerable because it was never supposed to be any other way.

    zombie:
    The solution to  humanity’s  problems-is  not  to  change  our  outward environment (government) we  must  cause  a  change  within ourselves-

    the solution to personal problems is death.  to humanity's problems - extinction.

    zombie:
    the people get what they deserve period!  This appears to be an emotional statement

    it is nothing more than a statistical observation.

  • Tue, Jan 4 2011 11:44 AM In reply to

    Re: Is the world worth saving ?

    neurosport:
    being thrown into a meat grinder doesn't mean that you have investment in steel industry.

    You're right, I could be profiting during that process!

    neurosport:
    why would you care about what your disease wants ?  if your schizophrenia wants you to jump off the roof that doesn't make it logical.

    I consider my disease to be among the best

    neurosport:
    i can agree that selfish action is the only good.  but people who try to save the world usually believe that they have to make personal sacrifices for it.  isn't it a contradiction then ?

    Yes, those people are fools. a bunch of jihadists

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    • Ruben Z
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    Re: Is the world worth saving ?

    "PS:  i'm counting on your imagination to decipher what it is i am trying to say here because my brain already went to sleep."

    It is not your brain that is asleep. As a selfproclaimed parasite you seem interested in my money, for one. And my imagination. Which sounds even less promising, lol.

    Thing is, if I would tell you what I imagine you are actually saying, you would most likely respond with outrage and scorn. I count on your imagination to estimate wether that is correct or not. 

  • Wed, Jan 5 2011 7:41 AM In reply to

    • neurosport
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    • Brooklyn, NY
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    Re: Is the world worth saving ?

    r1z8:
     if I would tell you what I imagine you are actually saying, you would most likely respond with outrage 

    outrage is the currency of those who are in deep denial of their nature.  

    if you point to a cute 13 year old girl on the beach and say "damn i wanna tap that ass" there will be no shortage of outrage because everybody else is really thinking the same thing.  they will be outraged for you blowing their cover.

    in fact i was fired from my first real job for that.  i wrote in an e-mail to my friend that in our office young women flirt with fat old bosses for promotions.  the next day i was brought before such a fat boss who was FUMING WITH RAGE, and then fired.  people always fume with rage when you DARE to speak the truth.

    me - i am not in denial about anything.  i embrace truth no matter what it is.  good luck getting outrage from me.

     

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