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  • Wed, Dec 22 2010 12:34 PM

    FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    Someone mentioned that FDR was considering turning on 'guests' again, meaning you don't have to register to participate in the chatroom. I highly disagree with that! This is only my experience but since guests have been turned off, the conversations I've been in the chatroom have been great and have had almost no negative experiences. Previously, there were a lot of trolls in the chatroom before when 'guests' were on, at least 50% of the time, and they absolutely dominated the conversation with nonsense.

    I understand wanting to attract more people but I think that's what the forum is for, people will see the great conversation and want to participate in the chatroom. Anyone can register, anyone can listen to the podcasts, and anyone can post on the forum. It's a very small barrier of entry. I think that people who don't want to register are clearly telling us something about themselves.

  • Wed, Dec 22 2010 1:36 PM In reply to

    • JamesP
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    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    Hey, thanks for the feedback (and my experience is similar and I agree with your sentiments)!

    We do turn guests on, but only for the Sunday show. Smile

  • Wed, Feb 16 2011 7:43 PM In reply to

    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    I'm requesting that guests be turned back off! The trolls are back with guests on all the time now. I just went in there and they were talking about raping cats...

  • Wed, Feb 16 2011 8:17 PM In reply to

    • Stephen C
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    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    There is a block / ignore feature, you can talk in whisper, and you can even open up your own private chat room window.

    This is a lesson in anarchy, in my opinion. As far as I can tell, ask someone in power to get rid of guests and you have no trust in living without a leader and taking your experience into your own hands. 

    That being said, I was comfortable without guests, I'm equally comfortable with them. 

    James has made the point to me that these "troll" guests scare away people from FDR. I would like to see some kind of evidence that this is the case. I would like to see a graph showing site activity and joining members when guests are not allowed in the chat compared to when guests are allowed in the chat, if that is at all possible. If we're going off an argument from effect I'd like to at least see the effect empirically shown.

    If there are other reasons to not allow guests in the chat I'd really like to hear them, I'm having a huge amount of trouble seeing the benefit of banning people at all. Any help would be very much appreciated. 

     

    Self =/= Intellectual Part

    "a self attack is what happens when we FORGET something.
    we attack ourselves whenever we forgot who we are.
    when we separate from the love that we are, we start to fight with ourselves.
    but we forgot that we don't like to fight because we are love." 

    "the things that people say are their worst qualities are usually their finest qualities
    when you can find this to be true in you, you will find a much better opinion of yourself" ~ Dee

  • Wed, Feb 16 2011 8:24 PM In reply to

    • Stephen C
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    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    Daeyeth, are you ever a troll?

    Self =/= Intellectual Part

    "a self attack is what happens when we FORGET something.
    we attack ourselves whenever we forgot who we are.
    when we separate from the love that we are, we start to fight with ourselves.
    but we forgot that we don't like to fight because we are love." 

    "the things that people say are their worst qualities are usually their finest qualities
    when you can find this to be true in you, you will find a much better opinion of yourself" ~ Dee

  • Wed, Feb 16 2011 8:40 PM In reply to

    • JamesP
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    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    daeyeth:

    I'm requesting that guests be turned back off! The trolls are back with guests on all the time now. I just went in there and they were talking about raping cats...

    I'm very sorry, guests are off now...

  • Wed, Feb 16 2011 8:51 PM In reply to

    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    I think guests scare away ppl because they dominate the conversation. That's an assumption based off my personal experiences because they scare me away when I see the type of conversation going on when they're in there. It'd be great if everyone would block them but they don't and most ppl get trolled by them. When that happens, even when I have them blocked, I have to see the other person responding to being trolled which makes me not want to talk. I try to start a conversation but the person being trolled is already caught up in it and feels the urge to always respond. I tell them to block them and they rationalize it by saying, "No wait, I just want to see how stupid this person really is".

    It's unreasonable to expect graphs to back up opinions unless that's the requirement for any opinion to have any weight, ie. you'd have to get graphs showing the site activity and joining members when guests are allowed to back up your opinion that guests don't scare away members. For sure, it would take out the bias possible and ideally, that would be the requirement of any debate, that if you have an opinion you need empirical evidence. But that's a lot of work.

    It says something about the person and the type of conversation they are looking for when they don't want to go through the very small barrier of entry of free registration. I think it says that they don't respect the conversation and require the maximum anonymity possible to feel safe acting the way they do.

    I don't think banning ppl helps either and it exacerbates the guests on issue because ppl who are banned get all their friends to come in and troll the chatroom in hatred and anger. But I think that's a different issue.

    The amount of protection required to maintain civil conversation in any forum is a representation of how empathetic the main proponent of their forum interests is. In a perfect world, no one is banned, everyone excercises ostracizm, and everyone enjoys cotton candy.

  • Wed, Feb 16 2011 8:57 PM In reply to

    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    Stephen C:

    Daeyeth, are you ever a troll?

    Only on Sundays when the Christians come out

  • Wed, Feb 16 2011 9:07 PM In reply to

    • Stephen C
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    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    Right.

    Self =/= Intellectual Part

    "a self attack is what happens when we FORGET something.
    we attack ourselves whenever we forgot who we are.
    when we separate from the love that we are, we start to fight with ourselves.
    but we forgot that we don't like to fight because we are love." 

    "the things that people say are their worst qualities are usually their finest qualities
    when you can find this to be true in you, you will find a much better opinion of yourself" ~ Dee

  • Thu, Feb 17 2011 9:58 AM In reply to

    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    Stephen C:

    There is a block / ignore feature, you can talk in whisper, and you can even open up your own private chat room window.

    This is a lesson in anarchy, in my opinion. As far as I can tell, ask someone in power to get rid of guests and you have no trust in living without a leader and taking your experience into your own hands. 

    That being said, I was comfortable without guests, I'm equally comfortable with them. 

    James has made the point to me that these "troll" guests scare away people from FDR. I would like to see some kind of evidence that this is the case. I would like to see a graph showing site activity and joining members when guests are not allowed in the chat compared to when guests are allowed in the chat, if that is at all possible. If we're going off an argument from effect I'd like to at least see the effect empirically shown.

    If there are other reasons to not allow guests in the chat I'd really like to hear them, I'm having a huge amount of trouble seeing the benefit of banning people at all. Any help would be very much appreciated. 

     

    I agree 100%.

    I was a guest in the chatroom for about a month before I became a member at FDR, it is a chance for outsiders to get a taste of how FDR works.

    I also agree with the assesment that it is a rank contradiction for anarchists to ask a central authority to deal with "trouble makers".  If we claim to wish to live without forceful and arbitrary authority, we should act like it.

    I say turn guests on, the chatroom has been dead since they have been turned off; that, and we might just learn something.

     

     

    "People should not be sharply corrected for bad grammar, provincialisms, or mispronunciation"

    - Marcus Aurelius, provider of forum rules since ancient Rome

  • Thu, Feb 17 2011 10:47 AM In reply to

    • Lowe
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    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    JamesP:
    We do turn guests on, but only for the Sunday show. Smile

    Thanks for taking an active interest in this topic, James.  My experience and preference align with daeyeth's, and my opinion is this policy should be continued.

    Stephen C:
    If there are other reasons to not allow guests in the chat I'd really like to hear them, I'm having a huge amount of trouble seeing the benefit of banning people at all.

    I'm not sure how turning off guest chat is banning.  Are you referring to something else?

    TenguNation:
    I also agree with the assesment that it is a rank contradiction for anarchists to ask a central authority to deal with "trouble makers".  If we claim to wish to live without forceful and arbitrary authority, we should act like it.

    The chat room is private property, and the authority, to which you refer, is its owner.  So there is not a contradiction.

     

  • Thu, Feb 17 2011 11:22 AM In reply to

    • JamesP
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    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    There are costs and benefits to both having guests enabled and having guests disabled.

    Empirically speaking, an open chat on the Internet attracts all kinds of people, not just those interested in philosophy or self-knowledge.  Part of the cost of having guests is that you basically roll out the welcome mat for trolls to come and lurk and stir things up.

    Turning guests off resolves this because, evidently, the cost of having to register for a name on the board is too high of an obstacle for most trolls encountered in this way.

    This also means that guests that might be attracted to FDR by way of lurking prior to registering may be turned away... but then again, if registering for a free account on the board is too high a barrier to entry for them (you can register and lurk), well... let's just say that if they're not willing to spend 30 seconds registering for a free account, pursuing philosophy may not be for them.

    Also, enabling/disabling anonymous guests is just not the same thing as banning.  That just wasn't honest.

    If you want a free and open chat replete with anonymous guests and trolls, there are thousands of places you can go for that.

  • Sun, Feb 20 2011 6:17 AM In reply to

    • Stephen C
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    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    ban

    1   [ban]  Show IPAverb, banned, ban·ning, noun
    –verb (used with object)
    1.
    to prohibit, forbid, or bar; interdict: to ban nuclear weapons;the dictator banned all newspapers and books that criticizedhis regime.
    2.
    Archaic .
    a.
    to pronounce an ecclesiastical curse upon.
    b.
    to curse; execrate.
    –noun
    3.
    the act of prohibiting by law; interdiction.
    4.
    informal denunciation or prohibition, as by public opinion:society's ban on racial discrimination.
    5.
    Law .
    a.
    a proclamation.
    b.
    a public condemnation.
    6.
    Ecclesiastical a formal condemnation; excommunication.
    7.
    a malediction; curse
    Yeah.

    Self =/= Intellectual Part

    "a self attack is what happens when we FORGET something.
    we attack ourselves whenever we forgot who we are.
    when we separate from the love that we are, we start to fight with ourselves.
    but we forgot that we don't like to fight because we are love." 

    "the things that people say are their worst qualities are usually their finest qualities
    when you can find this to be true in you, you will find a much better opinion of yourself" ~ Dee

  • Sun, Feb 20 2011 6:26 AM In reply to

    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    I pronounce an ecclesiastical curse upon all guests!

    “Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker.”
    -Mikhail Bakunin


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  • Sun, Feb 20 2011 6:45 AM In reply to

    • Stephen C
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    Re: FDR Chatroom - Guests off vs Guests on

    You're a ninja!

    Self =/= Intellectual Part

    "a self attack is what happens when we FORGET something.
    we attack ourselves whenever we forgot who we are.
    when we separate from the love that we are, we start to fight with ourselves.
    but we forgot that we don't like to fight because we are love." 

    "the things that people say are their worst qualities are usually their finest qualities
    when you can find this to be true in you, you will find a much better opinion of yourself" ~ Dee

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