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I hate debating on YouTube, but this time I couldn't resist, but see what I've got

From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg_FRWrlkFQ

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a2tis (5 hours ago) well, i'd rather depend on a system that provides protection by means of robbing others, than on a chance of supposed generosity of others. even if all the rich people donated all they have to the poor there wouldn't be enough because the poor are multiplying too quickly. i know, no one is responsible for the poor, but i dont care. the system of state simply looks a lot more attractive to me

MaikUniversum (4 hours ago) "i'd rather depend on a system that provides protection by means of robbing others"

ok, now I see that you advocating violence and are even ok with it. So by your logic it will be ok if I pointed gun into your face and took your money. It's your rules, you agree with them. :)

"system of state simply looks a lot more attractive to me"

violence seems attractive to you because you lived in violent society all your life. And to YOU, not to me. Why you support violence over me?

a2tis (1 hour ago) violence seems attractive because of reasons i explained to you - it is more reliable than hope of charity.

of course i am okay with violence in many cases! don't try the same trick again - supposedly if i am ok with certain violence then i am ok with ANY violence. no - if you you like eating doesnt mean you like eating shit. if you like having sex it doesnt mean you like having sex with animals or children. the same with violence - i don't mind a level of violence that forcibly collects taxes.

MaikUniversum (1 minute ago) "violence seems attractive"

if your kid gets beaten in public school or somewhere else or you get robbed and your wife killed, remember your own words - violence is attractive. Goodbye.

Maybe I wasn't completely accurate at deconstruting his "arguments" but I was just amazed by such stupidity, when he said "violence seems attractive" or that he is ok with violent extortion. I could call him an idiot but that wouldn't change anything. I feel fear for his kids.

You can read his whole babble, he asserts all kinds of nonsense. I don't bother even read it anymore.

 Honestly, I can see something to what he is saying. Violence is often an attractive solution to people (otherwise they wouldn't use it so frequently), even if it is often a bad solution (and recognized to be so). There is also a part of most people (stronger in some than it others) which finds grand heirarchies and 'action for the purpose of action' to be alluring, even when recognized to be disastrous. The Japanese author Yukio Mishima is an excellent example of someone who was fascinated by violence and forceful action in itself. Even today there are people who are repelled by National Socialism but find it cryptically beautiful.

For my own part I find the idea of actually engaging in or advocating violence based on simple aesthetics to be, well, creepy. But it would be bad psychology to deny that such impulses to exist in many people.

The only "attractive" part of forced taxation is that you can get a shitload of money pooled together by stealing "just a little bit" from everybody.  If you can get a little bit out of everyone with the threat of getting in trouble you're going to have a load of cash whereas if you have to really sell someone on something your road is much harder.

I totally understand the guy's misanthropic tendencies, I have felt them myself.  It boils down to:

The status quo is accetable to me

The status quo is enforced by violence

I assume that if the status quo was NOT enforced by violence the status quo would be much WORSE, not better.

(I bet there's a latin phrase for this.  I bet I could look it up if I wanted.  Nah, the government will do it for me! ;P)

The outside-world-is-full-of-assholes attitude I think is promoted by the media.  The nature of news is all bad news all the time.  It's mainly about conflicts between people.  As long as you're looking at the world outside through the electronic rectangle and not the glass and wood rectangle you tend to think that the world is a hideous shithole full of beasts that must be broken and tamed.

He didn't provide you with arguments to shoot down, seems largely opinion based as is the most common case on youtube. Have you tried being more socratic? It tends to dig at people who use opinion and pretend its rational.