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  • Sat, Oct 31 2009 4:14 PM

    Kid slaps his mother on Dr. Phil.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn18H3FKDV4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLCIrizzFGM

     

    The mother's parenting skills are horrible, but not for reasons most people would expect (which would be "she wasn't fierce enough").

     

    His points were excellent;  how did she like it when she was slapped, when her opinions weren't respected?

    Neither of their apologizes were very sincere.

     

     

     

  • Sun, Nov 1 2009 12:11 AM In reply to

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    I could not even watch this. The tone of voice she uses is disgusting, as well as his.  I wonder where he learned that.

  • Sun, Nov 1 2009 1:52 PM In reply to

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    I didn't find it hard to watch perse , but I did get really angry at his mother when he said 'I provoke her'.

    Edit: Actually now that I've had time to think about it, I've definitely been more bothered by it. IT occured to me that the mother is probably on her absolute best behaviour because she's on TV, whereas the kid probably thinks that he's finally found a way to get things fixed so he's letting loose. I imagine when they got home she made him pay for everything.

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  • Tue, Nov 3 2009 9:04 PM In reply to

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    Re: Kid slaps his mother on Dr. Phil.

     That's very upsetting.  "How do you feel when you hit a girl?!"  The woman's twice his size!

    The kid did a pretty good job of explaining UPB it seemed like.

    My heart goes out to him.  I'm afraid for him.

    There is no law-giver but nature.

    And you are her prophet.

  • Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:08 PM In reply to

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    Re: Kid slaps his mother on Dr. Phil.

    Kid: "I don't like that you neglect, abuse, assult, and humiliate me"

    Mom: "Well I don't like that you don't listen to me and don't respect me"

     

    WTF?? How is that at all a justification for the former? Imagine if she was talking to her friend that way instead of her child. Crazy!

     

     

     

    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."  -Albert Einstein

  • Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:27 PM In reply to

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    The mother is full of $hit...she 'has no recollection' of the most abusive things she's done...she should become a politician!

    I like how Dr. Phil says 'that sounds completely rehearsed and insincere' to the boy when he says he's glad he's on the show because he thinks his mom will be finally exposed for the abuser that she is.

    "I'm sorry for causing all your depression..." that did sound insincere.

    Where's the father...I wonder why he's not around.

    Wow...this kid is *smart*...he's full of anger for sure, but he actually RTRs with his mother in the second video (for 2 sentences), I was like 'GO kid GO'!

    Make yourself.

  • Thu, Nov 5 2009 5:04 AM In reply to

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    Re: Kid slaps his mother on Dr. Phil.

    Is it just me, or is Dr Phil a total arsehole?

    I feel so sorry for this poor kid.

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  • Thu, Nov 5 2009 7:14 AM In reply to

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    Re: Kid slaps his mother on Dr. Phil.

    borip:

    Kid: "I don't like that you neglect, abuse, assult, and humiliate me"

    Mom: "Well I don't like that you don't listen to me and don't respect me"

     

    WTF?? How is that at all a justification for the former? Imagine if she was talking to her friend that way instead of her child. Crazy!

    I was thinking the same thing.

    This entire conversation between mother and son was presented as though speaking this way is the most modern,scientific, enlightened way of solving family, interpersonal conflicts. 

    But it was crap.  The entire premise of that conversation was that the parent and child are equivalent, have identical obligations to one another, have identical needs, such that they can speak and negotiate with one another as exact equals.

    The parent-child relationship is not symmetrical.  We are all moral equals, in the sense that we are all entitled to the same basic dignity.  But the parent's obligations to the child are not the same as the child's obligations to the parent. The child's needs are not the same as hers.

    Ultimately, the child's lack of "respect" toward the parent is the parent's fault.  She created the home.  She created the relationship.  She sets the tone.  She establishes the parameters of the way they relate to each other.  Most importantly, she helps CREATE the personality and emotional response patterns of the child. 

    That woman is filled with rage and toxic in the extreme.  The child is amazingly astute, brave and articulate, but I believe that living with his mother is causing him real harm by the minute.

    “I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces.”

    -- Étienne de la Boétie

  • Thu, Nov 5 2009 9:09 AM In reply to

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    Re: Kid slaps his mother on Dr. Phil.

    Yeah, I think some sympathy on Dr. Phil's part, at least, would have been welcome.  I don't know exactly how old this kid is (Im guessing 11 or 12), but he is extremely articulate and intelligent.  He can immediately see right through all of his mom's deceptions and manipulations.  At least he understands the brutality, and hopefully will get away from his mom as soon as he gets the chance.

  • Thu, Mar 18 2010 2:26 AM In reply to

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    Re: Kid slaps his mother on Dr. Phil.

    Awful mum. Shame on her for allowing her son to claim credit for her depression (and allowing so much anger to build up in her son). The fact that both kids were overweight also is a red flag for me. Her "I have no recollection of that" denials were chilling. And this was her in front of the camera.

    I have to say that I felt creeped out every time the child was speaking - it felt disturbingly insincere - I felt VERY manipulated. The way he glanced at the camera while talking to her didn't feel quite right, like he was playing to an audience. This could just be a self conscious response to having a camera in the room, maybe.

    His aggression was also far out of proportion to the actual events taking place, and he seemed to be very easily slighted by seemingly minor comments. I felt a chill when he minimised by saying "I lightly slapped her". When they were talking with each-other, it seemed like a battle of wills, and that his will was much stronger than hers. I'm guessing that she was relied on physical power and manipulation when the boy was younger, and that those were no longer working now that he was smart enough to understand. I think he might have been spoiled or neglected in some way, and never shown good boundaries... I got a confusing sense that this child was either:

    a) very insightful and would eventually healthily navigate his way out of this situation; or

    b) manipulative, lacking empathy, very sensitive to his own feelings, and basically a monster in the making.

    I feel like lots of sympathy for him in either case, I just hope he doesn't turn his substantial anger towards other innocent people in future. In some ways I see some similarities between this and my relationship with my mother - although in my case my mother was not really abusive, but rather made some irresponsible big decisions. I built up hostility after some abusive experiences at a new school starting at age 10, and I became depressed and passive aggressive at home; She didn't respond with calm assertiveness, but rather would get hurt or angry or sad. Once in a while, we would have a fight with lots of interruption, raising voices and eventually one of us would storm off to our room. When it was me, I would just be in my room angry or crying, then she would come in and ask me with genuine sympathy what was wrong, and I would break down crying and we'd talk for a bit. It seemed like those were the only times after the age of 10 when I felt truly listened to and that I could release my sadness and anger about feeling worthless and rejected at school. Around the 8th time this happened, I realised that I could use this 'crying and getting sympathy' in a manipulative way, and the thought repulsed me so much that I vowed never to allow that to happen. It was always sincere. Anyway, I'm in therapy now trying to figure out how to deal with my relationship with my mum. We still often have aggressive, subtly dominant conversations filled with interruptions and fast paced monologues, now through intellectual topics, and I can still feel myself being passive aggressive with her.

  • Thu, Mar 18 2010 3:03 AM In reply to

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    The kid did a good job of making his point.  I'm amazed he's able to see things so clearly, at such a young age.

     

    The youtube comments are quite disturbing, and make me sad.

  • Thu, Mar 18 2010 6:10 AM In reply to

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    Re: Kid slaps his mother on Dr. Phil.

    I guess we'll know we've made it when the statement "Children don't hit parents." becomes "People don't hit each other."

    "...after all it's not easy, banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall." -Pink Floyd

  • Thu, Mar 18 2010 6:44 AM In reply to

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    Re: Kid slaps his mother on Dr. Phil.

    CapitalistDog:

    The kid did a good job of making his point.  I'm amazed he's able to see things so clearly, at such a young age.

    The youtube comments are quite disturbing, and make me sad.

    And he totally got universal morality when he slapped his mom, told her to shut up and then asked her how that made her feel. I think he should't have acted on the violence, but he's 10. Still, did anyone else get a feeling that something... wasn't right? Like not just on the mom's end, but from the kid as well?

    It also, makes me wonder how the sister died, and what happened to the father - what kind of man was he?

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