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  • Thu, Jul 9 2009 2:31 PM

    FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

     

    Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    From G. Edward Griffin

     

    Hello [name].

    WHICH IS BEST: GOVERNMENT, ANARCHY, OR PROTECTORATE?
    Statism Is Dead is a five-part video commentary by Stefan Molyneux that will challenge your deepest convictions about political reality and the nature of government. It can be viewed on YouTube
    here
    . If you are in a hurry, you can start with Part Three and get the main message here.

    I recommend that everyone watch this presentation even though I have several fundamental points of disagreement, which I will get to in a moment. The points of agreement, however, are numerous, and they relate to certain features that need to be discarded from our present political environment if we hope to build a better world for future generations. It is for those insights that I commend this series.

    POINTS OF AGREEMENT
    Mr. Molyneux makes an unassailable case for the inevitable degeneration of government, any government, into a totalitarian regime. Based on the widely held belief that governments should have an unrestricted monopoly on coercion, it is inevitable that predators will gravitate into government and convert it to a legalized criminal syndicate. His case is amply supported by history and logic. I will not elaborate on this theme, because Molyneaux already has done a superb job of that to which there is little that I could add.

    Statism Is Dead acknowledges that the American Republic was an exception to this historic pattern but that it, too, eventually succumbed to the relentless magnetic attraction between government and the predator element (corrupt politicians, lobbyists, and enforcers) to the point where, today, the United States federal government and many state governments have become oppressive.

    POINTS OF DISAGREEMENT
    Having shown that all governments degenerate into tyrannical regimes, Molyneaux concludes that, if we want to avoid having this pattern repeat in the future, we have no choice but to build a world without governments. The preferred alternative, he says, is anarchy, which he describes more gently as “volunteerism.”

    At first, the choice of anarchy over statism might appear to be inescapably logical inasmuch as no one, as far as I am aware, has ever theorized an alternative. Which do we choose: government or anarchy? Given that governments always degenerate into tyranny, the option of anarchy becomes a serious candidate, because it is assumed we have no other choice. I contend, however, that there is a third option and that it is the only option that passes the test of history and logic.

    THE AMERICAN EXPERIMENT
    The Founders of the American Republic were well aware that they were attempting to create something fundamentally different from what had been done before and even different from what their constituents expected. They were expected to create a new monarchy to replace the old. Instead, they set out to create something so different that they often referred to it as an experiment.

    The experiment was that they created a state with substantial limitations on its power. They built a beta model, not for a government, but a protectorate. They wanted their creation to protect the lives, liberty, and property of its citizens but not to govern them. Unfortunately, they made the mistake – and I think it was a fatal mistake – of referring to their creation as a government. They simply borrowed the common word that applied to the monarchies of Europe and assigned it to their new invention. The purpose of a government, by the very nature of the word, is to govern. Once they accepted that word, the experiment was destined to fail.

    A protectorate is negative in its function. It acknowledges the legitimacy of collective force but only for the protection of life, liberty, and property. A government, by contrast, is positive in function. It assumes the right to use collective force for any purpose it wishes, so long as it can claim that it is for some “good” purpose. Predator politicians can always come up with an appropriate justification for that.

    Had the Republic been described as a protectorate from the outset, every time Americans speak of it they would be reminded that its purpose was to protect them, not to govern them, and this would have gone a long way to perpetuate the Founder’s intent. To be sure, this by itself would not have been sufficient to prevent the predator class from infiltrating the protectorate and turning it into a government after all, but it would have been a great deterrent and could have slowed the process for another hundred years. It was, after all, a beta model. Like all experiments and first releases, it inevitably would fall to future users and future generations to improve upon its design, not scrap it.

    WE NEED A PROTECTORATE, NOT ANARCHY
    The next freedom construct must be a protectorate, not anarchy. It must be an improvement on the first American Republic. It must include a statement of political philosophy, such as The Creed of Freedom, that will spell out the philosophy of liberty as well as the structure and function of the protectorate. It must include a warning against allowing the new model to be converted back into a government. All of these things are possible, and it is up to us who have witnessed the decline of the Republic and who have understood that collectivism is the great destroyer, to become the architects and builders for new protectorates in every country in the world.

    WHO WILL WATCH THE WATCHERS?
    I am a strong advocate of volunteerism. In a protectorate, volunteerism will be the driving force of progress. I know it will work far better than coercion, but I am equally convinced that our social contract with each other must include the use of community authorized force, if necessary, for protection.

    On this issue, Mr. Molyneaux asks the question: “Who will watch the watchers?” That is an excellent question. If we authorize a neighborhood security patrol to carry arms and watch over our homes or if we authorize a national guard to deploy weapons of mass destruction to deter a foreign enemy from an attack, how can we prevent the same old pattern from returning? If some people are authorized in our protectorate to have weapons to protect us, what is to stop the predator class from moving into those groups and using that power against us?

    There is an answer to that; but, first, we should ask the same question about how this could be prevented under anarchy. Under anarchy, there would be no way to stop a well-organized and funded military force (possibly from a region where an aggressive government was still in operation) from taking over. The theoretical answer is that volunteerism would do it. Hundreds of thousands of people would volunteer for military preparedness and donate enough money to develop and acquire the necessary weapons.

    I think we ought to be a little skeptical of that answer but, let’s give it the benefit of the doubt and say that pure volunteerism, without taxation or conscription, would be sufficient to build a military force in advance of the need capable of deterring any militaristic enemy on the planet, and this would be accomplished entirely through voluntary donations of money and personal time. In that event, I would say that it would work exactly the same way in a protectorate. The primary difference is that, in a protectorate, the defensive nature of the state would be formally acknowledged and institutionalized in the social contract called the Constitution, and it would be organized ahead of the need instead of after.

    WE MUST WATCH THE WATCHERS
    Perhaps the most important element is that, in either a protectorate or under anarchy, there would have to be a watch-dog committee of enlightened citizens who, acting entirely apart from every other institution, would be dedicated to keeping the public informed on issues and events relating to their freedom, for there is no system that will long endure if the public is not enlightened of its founding principles. Even a theoretical “peaceful anarchy” would need that kind of support to keep it from reverting back to tyrannical government. That is the most often overlooked feature in discussions of this kind. An uninformed public always can be easily led by tyrants and demagogues. Preventing that is the role to be played by Freedom Force International.

    STATE CAPITALISM
    At a much lower level of disagreement, I must object to the repeated use of the term State Capitalism without a clarifying definition. My reason for this is that these two words are, in a sense, mutually exclusive; and, in another sense, synonymous with fascism or even communism. Molyneaux uses the term in a pejorative sense, and I concur with that when it implies government involvement with capital, but in the more classic sense in which capitalism is perceived as a constructive opposite of communism or socialism, it deserves to be separated from the rest. The bottom line is that the word really has no absolute meaning. As I have stated elsewhere, the only meaningful words in this arena are collectivism and individualism.

    PRODUCTION DOES NOT CAUSE TAXATION AND TYRANNY
    The analogy of governments becoming farms for humans is compelling, and I think it serves a good purpose in getting people to think critically about their role in society, but certain ancillary arguments related to that are, in my opinion, off the mark. For example, Molyneaux states that freedom leads to production which leads to taxes which leads to tyranny and collapse. It would be difficult to argue with this chain of events historically, but my objection is to the implication that each of these steps is the cause of the following step. Flowers bloom and then crickets appear, but the crickets don’t appear because the flowers bloom. Both the blooming of the flowers and the appearance of the crickets are caused by the arrival of spring and the warming of the season. They are associative phenomena, not causative. It is my view that increased taxation and tyranny are not caused by freedom or productivity but by the growth of government to accomplish aggressive (as opposed to defensive) goals and the influx of predators into positions of power. The criminal element would be far less attracted to state employment if they were strictly limited to a defensive mission. In a protectorate, there would be great freedom and productivity with very low taxation and zero tyranny.

    RELIGION IS ANOTHER TOPIC
    Another point of concern with Statism Is Dead is the needless (in my opinion) slam against religion. The case for corruption of government is conclusive by itself without including religion. For many people, the political theme of this presentation is a big pill to swallow without challenging religious convictions at the same time. Mixing the two themes may needlessly repel people who otherwise would be receptive to the message.

    IT IS NOT PARANOIA TO CONTROL IMMIGRATION
    As I get to the bottom of my list of negative points, I am reminded of Molyneaux’s statement that those who are concerned about illegal immigration are being led to paranoia by their oppressive leaders. I don’t buy that. To be fair, he didn’t use the word “illegal.” He said that people were paranoid about immigration, but that line was delivered over a photograph of illegal aliens crossing the Rio Grande River, so the meaning is clear.

    Under anarchy, of course, there would be no state boundaries and no limitations on regional population movements. In theory, this may sound high minded and consistent with freedom, but in the real world, life, liberty, and property can become endangered by limitless mass migration. The concepts of life, liberty, and property vary widely from culture to culture, and it is not paranoia to be aware that one’s way of life can become endangered by a massive influx of those who may hold contempt for it. In my view, laws setting conditions and limitations on immigration are well within the defensive function of the state and would be appropriate in a protectorate.

    NOT ALL IDEOLOGIES ARE EQUAL
    Finally, in Part 3 Molyneaux says: “All ideologies are variations on human livestock management practices. … The opposite of ideology is not a different ideology but clear evidence and rational principles. The opposite of ideology is philosophy.”

    OK, it’s definition time again. The American Heritage Dictionary defines ideology as “The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, group, class, or culture.” The Merriam-Webster On-Line Dictionary says: “A systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture; a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture; the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program.”

    Based on this, just about everything Mr. Molyneaux has advocated in his exposition represents an ideology. I don’t know why he would want to disassociate from this word unless it is because so many unsavory world views also are ideologies. However, according to the dictionary definition of the word, the answer to the old, worn out ideology of statism and collectivism is, indeed, a new ideology called individualism. Rather than the ideology of anarchy, the ideology of individualism, flourishing within a protectorate, is the next model of freedom.

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  • Thu, Jul 9 2009 2:58 PM In reply to

    • Nathan
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    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    I guess he hasn't read practical anarchy yet.

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  • Thu, Jul 9 2009 3:04 PM In reply to

    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    Or watched the Badnarik debate!

    "Better a cruel truth than a comfortable delusion."

  • Thu, Jul 9 2009 3:14 PM In reply to

    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    You know what piss me off about those kind of articles. I always feel they think I'm dumb enough to not ever think about the same objections about anarchy or ever think of the same alternatives he is presenting to me.

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  • Thu, Jul 9 2009 5:57 PM In reply to

    • lch
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    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    Well, at least it started out okay, I guess. Although about halfway down I started reading only a paragraph's first line before skipping the rest.

    If he continues to listen his minarchist days are numbered. So at least we have that to look forward to.  You can practically hear the screech of tortured metal as his mind tries to retain some logic connections.

     

    ps. there's no non offensive laugh out loud smiley...

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  • Thu, Jul 9 2009 6:27 PM In reply to

    • GregG
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    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    These monopolistic solutions - in this case "protectorate" - always come down to the same "management mechanism": an ideological duty to be vigilant.

    That doesn't work with government, so why should I assume it will work with a "protectorate"?

     

  • Thu, Jul 9 2009 6:55 PM In reply to

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    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    I received this in my inbox as I am an FFI member.  I replied, thanking Griffin for reviewing Stefan's videos, and pointing him to the Practical Anarchy book.  Maybe we'll get a follow up later on.  Might help if any of you who are FFI members (or not) did the same.  His newsletters reach a large pro-liberty audience.

  • Fri, Jul 10 2009 6:36 AM In reply to

    • Ultraist
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    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    Curious:  Are there any other Freedom Force International members on these boards?

    I am a member as well...

    Mike.

  • Fri, Jul 10 2009 11:41 AM In reply to

    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    Folks have a hard time giving up the idea that society somehow  has to be designed from the top down.  Like, 'Gee,  if we just find that ONE golden idea and implement it everything's great'.  Anarchy isn't "Hey let's all have a convention and decide on how to form a new country.  It's about canning central planning and letting nature take its course.  It's evolution.  Why do the lives of millions of people across huge swaths of the earth have to fall under this "we" crap?  WE have to do this and WE should do that.  blah blah blah  This is all creationist-type thinking, that there's just gotta be some master designer running the show.  The "big plan" of anarchy" isn't a complicated model for organizing socety, it's just the door WE have to go through to find out the bazillions of things on the other side.

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  • Fri, Jul 10 2009 12:07 PM In reply to

    • Magnus
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    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    I've heard Mr. Griffin advocate for this sort of idea before, long before FDR went live, I believe, based on the idea of a government that's so limited you can't really call it a government. 

    I hadn't heard the term "protectorate" before.  I have always referred to this idea (from him and others) as  "placeholder state." It's one of the many flavors of minarchism.

    In other words, you purport to create a state, with all the ceremony and ritual and identity-providing names and symbols that regular states always have (e.g , flags, seals, offices, titles), but then hamstring it so much that it is impotent. 

    The purpose of such an organization, although perhaps not explicitly stated, is not to actually do anything, but to do nothing, and thereby displace any other organizations that people would attempt to form, which may try to take its place, and assume more power than the placeholder.

    This idea, of course, is doomed to failure.  It implicitly and inevitably sets up the expectation that this Placeholder State is going to do something important.  But, when bad things happen, as they inevitably do, people will naturally look to this organization, however meaningless it may be from a practical standpoint, and wonder why it's not stepping up to solve the problem. 

    That's exactly what happened under the Articles of Confederation, for example.

     

    Statism Is Dead acknowledges that the American Republic was an exception to this historic pattern but that it, too, eventually succumbed to the relentless magnetic attraction between government and the predator element (corrupt politicians, lobbyists, and enforcers) to the point where, today, the United States federal government and many state governments have become oppressive.

    See, that's where he's terribly wrong.  It wasn't.  It was formed to do exactly what it did -- assume more power than it had before.  It's worse now, of course, bu that doesn't mean that the USA was formed as some kind of pure-of-heart, noble experiment that -- WHOOPS! -- just happened to get a little out of hand.

    “I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces.”

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  • Fri, Jul 10 2009 12:31 PM In reply to

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    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    Magnus:
    The purpose of such an organization, although perhaps not explicitly stated, is not to actually do anything, but to do nothing, and thereby displace any other organizations

    I want to stress this part. It keeps the free market from innovating better solutions. A roadblock to innovation and progress.

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  • Fri, Jul 10 2009 12:41 PM In reply to

    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    Those are some good points...

    I used to lean towards anarchy - only I couldn't get my head around how the power vacuum could react against internal or external tyranny.

    It seems to me that there needs to be some sort of organizational infrastructure to unite a society.

    Even looking at FDR (for example) there is a coherant organizational structure.

    Anyway - I'll have to return when I have more time to type up a coherant conversation...

  • Fri, Jul 10 2009 1:29 PM In reply to

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    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    Mike Kitchen:

    Those are some good points...

    I used to lean towards anarchy - only I couldn't get my head around how the power vacuum could react against internal or external tyranny.

    It seems to me that there needs to be some sort of organizational infrastructure to unite a society.

    Even looking at FDR (for example) there is a coherant organizational structure.

    Anyway - I'll have to return when I have more time to type up a coherant conversation...

    If that's something everyone agrees is necessary, why should it need to be forced upon them? The "organization" here comes in two forms: ( a ) what stef offers, and ( b ) what members do on their own. Anyone who doesn't find satisfaction in that is free to ( a ) offer alternatives for discussion, ( b ) patronize another site, ( c ) provide the same service in a form they see as more productive. Why should that require an enforced monopoly?

    Conversely, if nobody wants any order at all, how is forcing order upon them a just thing to do?

     

  • Fri, Jul 10 2009 2:33 PM In reply to

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    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    The Protectorate could work,as a name for a DRO.

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  • Fri, Jul 10 2009 8:15 PM In reply to

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    Re: FDR's 'Statism is Dead' makes the Freedom Force Report for June and July 2009

    wtf, this guy totally ignored the moral argument against the existence of a state.

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