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  • Tue, Jun 30 2009 12:44 PM

    I've finally decided to defoo.

    Since moving back to Texas I have been working with my dad in his dental lab. I had a lot of conflict with him at first, but I eventually decided to just not engage him anymore. He is a very unpleasant person, almost exactly like the Clint Eastwood character in Gran Torino--only much more mean spirited. He would say little things to jab at me and try to get a response, and I would either request that we change the subject or I would just give an innocuous response and quickly stop talking. This only infuriated him, though he was not open about these feelings.

    For a few months now I've continued with this policy of trying not to engage (very difficult for me with him) and being assertive with regards to pointing out when he was applying double standards . As a result he became more and more irritated by my presence, frequently pointing out that "I am very difficult to be around" and that he "always has to walk on egg shells around me".

    I have been struggling with the prospect of defooing for quite a while. I have been really ambivolent about the idea for two main reasons. The first being that I don't have much education or training outside of the dental lab and, with the market being what it is, I have had a hard time finding work or even saving enough money to possibly do something on my own. This is also a huge self confidence issue as I pretty much have been doubting myself every step of the way, and have never really had much confidence in my ability to accomplish goals. The second reason has been that in spite of the fact that I conciously know better, I still have strong feelings of guilt about breaking with my mother. All this in spite of the fact that she has been physically and emotionally abusive herself, not to mention the fact that she saw fit to continue inflicting my father on my sister and I. I knew the whole time that these were just excuses and false self attempts to avoid what I conciously new I needed to do but I just couldn't. It has been terrifying.

    Over the past few months my dad has been planning to move the lab to a new location. He usually employs the help of random castaways that he meets in bars or through a friend of a friend who are usually in dire straights. He exploits thier situations to make them into what amounts to indentured servants (a place I have been myself several times). Unfortunately, he managed to piss off the guy he most recently had working for him to the point of quitting. This meant that he now expected me to move all of the lab equipment. This was fine with me, as I am technically his employee. The problem came while discussing the best possible time to do the work.

    He has been saying for a while that he would schedule time during the week leading into the 4th of July weekend to move. Instead, he decided that he wanted to finish a bunch of cases that could easily be futured and that he didn't want to move things in the afternoon during the week because it was too hot outside and it was inconvenient for him. Instead, he wanted me to put my weekend plans on hold so that I could come out early on Sunday morning and finish up in one day. I explained that I had plans and that it would be inconvenient for me and could we try to figure out something else. Apparently, this was the straw that broke the camel's back. He became enraged at me, claiming that I was lazy and that I did not want to help him and that he was paying me too much already (not true given the going rate). I pointed out that the principle he was working with was: Inconvenience = excuse for not working. Therefore it was irrational for him to condemn me for asserting the very same standard he had with regards to working on Sunday. I did not say I would not work for him, but only that It was inconvenient and that I would like to discuss other options.

    He became furious and started screaming and cussing at me. At this point I was so upset that I started screaming and yelling back. He then told me that he would not work with me any more. When this happened all I could think was that semi-subconciously, I had instigated this argument so that I would have no choice but to move forward with my defoo plans. I have more than enough evidence to know that I will be perfectly happy to never see him again. As far as my mom is concerned, I don't feel as angry towards her even though I know I should. I am really scared about the prospect of finding work and not being able to pay bills or for the therapy that I know I need (and have been avoiding) but I know that it's worth it. I have a lot of problems that I still need to work out, but I know this is what I need to do.

    The thing that scares me the most is my lack of confidence. My Dad is a context dropping machine and given enough time I know that he would be more than happy to take me back at the lab. I also know that if I broke with my family that they would always be willing to take me back. I NEED to break with these monsters. I am going to use this opportunity to do just that. I am truly terrified but I am also very hopeful.

    “Champagne for my real friends and real pain for my sham friends.” - Tom Waits.

  • Tue, Jun 30 2009 1:26 PM In reply to

    Re: I've finally decided to defoo.

    Your dad's attempts to provoke a reaction from you in order to instigate a confrontation (which he would blame you for) and his lack of consideration with regard to your weekend plans are classic narcissistic antics. I know exactly what you're going through as I've been dealing with a family member who exhibits this behavior.

  • Tue, Jun 30 2009 1:33 PM In reply to

    • Suun
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    Re: I've finally decided to defoo.

    James T. Roy:

    ...As a result he became more and more irritated by my presence, frequently pointing out that "I am very difficult to be around" and that he "always has to walk on egg shells around me".

    ...

     

    My first thought when reading this was...

    Having a healthy relationship, for some people, is probably as difficult as walking on egg shells. It's not that YOU'RE difficult to be around, it's more that he subconsciously realizes that what he does is wrong, and you're the one with the integrity to make that apparent to him, and he doesn't like that.

  • Tue, Jun 30 2009 1:39 PM In reply to

    Re: I've finally decided to defoo.

    AESTHETE:

    James T. Roy:

    ...As a result he became more and more irritated by my presence, frequently pointing out that "I am very difficult to be around" and that he "always has to walk on egg shells around me".

    ...

     

    My first thought when reading this was...

    Having a healthy relationship, for some people, is probably as difficult as walking on egg shells. It's not that YOU'RE difficult the be around, it's more that he subconsciously realizes that what he does is wrong, and you're the one with the integrity to make that apparent to him.

    My wife made a very similar point. When it comes to button pushing, he seems to be the one who is covered with them and he complains when he bumps into me.

    “Champagne for my real friends and real pain for my sham friends.” - Tom Waits.

  • Tue, Jun 30 2009 2:25 PM In reply to

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    I am so sorry to hear about this, it does sound like a truly awful situation, you do have my very deepest sympathies. If there is anything that I can do, please don't hesitate to ask...Left Hug

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  • Tue, Jun 30 2009 3:48 PM In reply to

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    Stefan Molyneux:

    I am so sorry to hear about this, it does sound like a truly awful situation, you do have my very deepest sympathies. If there is anything that I can do, please don't hesitate to ask...Left Hug

    I really appreciate all of the help Stef. Truly I would not have come this far without your guidance.

    “Champagne for my real friends and real pain for my sham friends.” - Tom Waits.

  • Thu, Jul 2 2009 11:00 PM In reply to

    Re: I've finally decided to defoo.

     Alright, so it's early Friday morning and day three of my break with my family. I haven't sent a letter yet, but I think I will when the time is right. I am struggling with a lot of guilt feelings around my mom. It's like my brain and my body are in a life or death, Beyond Thunderdome type battle right now. I keep thinking about how there is nothing about her that I really value. How when I am with her I can never really talk about anything that is important to me. How even though I have outed myself as an atheist several times since I was a senior in high school she would still tell me things like, "God is good" and "Don't forget to pray".

    Historically, I have always been dependent on my parents. I only realize now just how much that is the case. In the back of my mind I have always known that if I needed something - money, food, a place to stay, that it would be made available to me. I have always used this as a crutch and I feel like this is a pretty big reason why I have never really excelled at anything. I have always "needed" my parents to make sure things would be ok and to make things easier and more attainable. I will be 30 in August and my mom still refers to me as her little boy. It's like I have been in a perpetual state of semi-adolescence my whole life.

    I realize that my mom is just like any other woman on earth. I don't owe her anything and if I don't enjoy her company I have just as much of a right to break things off with her as I would with anyone else. And with her it is even more true since she is the one who continued to expose me to my father. Since she is the one who only got angry at him and threatended to leave when he cheated on her, not when he was cold, mocking, or physically abusive to her children. She is the one who hit me for no reason when my sister hurt herself and then demanded that I forgive her or she would kill herself. And yet in spite of all of this I still feel guilty.

    I won't get sucked back in and I'm sure this will get easier but I just can't sleep and I really need to write all of this out. I feel better the more I write.

    I have done a lot of things in my life that I regret. Until recently I had a tendency to be pretty sadistic. I have hurt people in my life and I feel terrible for all of it and am trying to make restitution for it all. I don't know if I can ever completely redeem myself but I think this is a huge step in the right direction. I am unemployed and very poor right now but I vow to start over and fix things. I will get therapy. I will take steps to get an education and a career that I value. I will be a good husband to my wife and someday hopefully a good father. I will become a better person.

    I have not posted on the boards in a while but I have been around and I have been listening to a lot of podcasts. I can't thank this community enough for all of the guidance and love it has to offer. I am kinda at rock bottom right now but the view from here is incredible.

    “Champagne for my real friends and real pain for my sham friends.” - Tom Waits.

  • Fri, Jul 3 2009 10:25 AM In reply to

    • lch
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    Re: I've finally decided to defoo.

    This has been a good step.  By that I mean the post and thinking about things.

    Six Echo: What's god?
    Supervisor: Well, you know when you want something really bad and you close your eyes and wish for it?  God's the guy that ignores you.

  • Fri, Jul 3 2009 11:05 AM In reply to

    Re: I've finally decided to defoo.

     I think so to. It's strange but I feel better today. It's weird how your brain works things out like that when you are sleeping.

    “Champagne for my real friends and real pain for my sham friends.” - Tom Waits.

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