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  • Sat, Dec 13 2008 10:06 AM

    • madmanlear
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    Introduction to Unschooling

    In the Parenting Roundtable conference call in October the first parent to speak, dtomboy, mentioned that she “unschooled” her kids. I've always been pretty interested in the learning process and education, particularly the Montessori Method, so I checked it out and discovered a pretty incredible canon of works and a thriving community promoting the freedom and trust of children. A few of the FDRers that I told about unschooling seemed very interested, and I've also noticed that several more joined the Unschooling Facebook group, so I wanted to take a moment to sort of formally introduce everyone to the idea and hopefully get the discussion going. I've read several books and articles on the topic in the last two months or so, but I am by no means an authority on the subject.

    First let's talk a little about what schools are from the unschooling perspective, and therefore why a new and radical approach is necessary to child learning. John Holt, the founder of the unschooling movement wrote in How Children Fail that compulsory education creates children that are, even in the early grades, gripped with fear and surrounded by danger (physical in some cases but mostly psychological). The Teacher-Classroom relationship creates a need for the child to constantly validate himself both to his teach and his classmates, and he is constantly afraid that he will fail, inviting the anger and disappointment of his teacher and the humiliating wrath of his fellow slaves (yes, John Holt often uses the term slaves to describe children in school). But even more fundamentally, the very nature of compulsory education creates an atmosphere where real learning is nearly impossible. He writes:

    “If we and not the children choose the task, then they think about us instead of the task, with crippling results...The point I now want to make is that “success,” as much as “failure,” are adult ideas which we impose on children... It is nonsense to think that we can give children a love of “succeeding” without at the same time giving them an equal dread of “failing.”

    Babies learn to walk, and falling down as they try... do not think, each time they fall, “I failed again.” Healthy babies or children [here he means psychologically healthy], tackling difficult projects of their own choosing, think only when they fall down “Oops, not yet, try again.” Nor do they think, when finally they begin to walk or ride, “Oh, boy, I'm succeeding!” They think, “Now I'm walking! Now I'm riding!” The joy is in the act itself, the walking or the riding, not in some idea of success.”

    But as Holt says, teachers compel students to focus on the means, not the end. Grades were created to give children the initiative to learn (like they need it), but now students focus on the grades. If a teacher drills a child in an attempt to force his memory to bind itself to a particular mathematical concept, he will think only of satisfying the teacher and regaining his freedom. And if we give children tests as a proof of their knowledge, they become obsessed with that particular test, forgetting anything they might have learned as soon as the paper leaves their hands.

    John Taylor Gatto, while not part of the unschooling movement, was adopted by its members as another voice of reason on child freedom and learning. He taught in New York for 30 years, only to quit his job after receiving the Teach of the Year Award to write and speak about the true nature of compulsory education. In Dumbing Us Down, he provides us with the 7 lessons that schools really teach kids:

    1. Confusion: ”Confusion is thrust upon kids by too many strange adults, each working alone with only the thinnest relationship with each other, pretending, for the most part, to an expertise they do not possess.”
    2. Class Position: “My job is to make them like being locked together with children who bear numbers like their own. Or at least endure it like good sports. If I do my job well, the kids can’t even imagine themselves somewhere else because I’ve shown them how to envy and fear the better classes and how to have contempt for the dumb classes. Under this efficient discipline the class mostly policies itself into good marching order. That’s the real lesson of any rigged competition like school. You come to know your place.”
    3. Indifference: “I teach children not to care too much about anything, even though they want to make it appear that they do.”
    4. Emotional Dependency
    5. Intellectual Dependency
    6. Provisional Self-Esteem: “Our world wouldn’t survive a flood of confident people very long, so I teach that a kid’s self-respect should depend on expert opinion. My kids are constantly evaluated and judged… The lesson of report cards, grades, and tests is that children should not trust themselves or their parents but should instead rely on the evaluation of certified officials.”
    7. One Can’t Hide: “I teach students that they are always watched, that each is under constant surveillance… There are no private spaces… no private time… I assign a type of extended schooling called ‘homework,’ so that the effect of surveillance, if not the surveillance itself, travels into private households.”

    With a new knowledge of children and education in mind John Holt began to work out the type of environment and care that would actually assist children rather than stunt them, that would allow them to pursue their own interests rather than the abstract goals of one or many authority figures. A few of the major tenets include:

    Trust: “All I am saying in this book can be summed up in two words - Trust Children. Nothing could be more simple - or more difficult. Difficult, because to trust children we must trust ourselves - and most of us were taught as children that we could not be trusted.”

    Freedom: Unschooling is interest-driven, project-based style of learning that the individual child is responsible for. For example, an interest in bridges will not lead a child immediately to engineering concepts, but instead he will want to build a bridge! And through this project, in order to reach his goal he will inevitably learn about structural integrity, tension, different bridge designs, etc. And if he wishes to continue pursuing this interest and make better bridges, he will discover that in order to do so he should learn about the nature of bridges.

    Real Intelligence: The purpose of learning is not to know your multiplication tables or diagram a sentence, but rather to have a true, thorough and intense relationship with the knowledge that you acquire. Children need to know what really happens when you divide 12 by 3 on a concrete fundamental level before they can understand what 12/3 is. “The true test of intelligence if not how much we know how to do, but how we behave when we don't know what to do.”

    Options: A parent might often have great ideas to help their child learn, or a particular project or resource they might benefit from. But the parent cannot simply force this idea onto the child. Rather, in an open relationship, the parent could introduce that idea as an option to her child, placing it as a point of interest on their path that the child could either stop and see or pass right by.

    Children are different: Children are not pigeon-holed into right brain/left brain or introvert/extrovert. Every child is different and has his own unique personality. For him to learn and grow to his full potential, his education must fit him exactly. And the only person who could build such a specialized system is him. Also important is the idea that not all children need to learn all the same things.

    From what I've read so far I believe the unschooling model fits so very, very well with anarcho-capitalism, and should certainly be pursued as an option to parents future and current. Of course, the truth that unschooling fails to touch on is that children need both the proper learning environment and the proper family environment, and that a problem with either will lead to problems with both. Children require consistency and a knowledge that the world is an understandable place. Unschooling, in theory, can help provide this to children, but only in families that do the same in every way possible.

     

    Recommended Reading:

    How Children Fail by John Holt

    How Children Learn by John Holt

    Dumbing Us Down by John Taylor Gatto

    The Teenage Liberation Handbook by Grace Llewellyn

    The Absorbent Mind by Maria Montessori

  • Sat, Dec 13 2008 11:31 AM In reply to

    • Rasselas
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    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

    Thank you for posting this, I think it is spot on. I am around children all of the time and it is amazing what determined independent learners they are. They absolutely hate being treated like they are owned. Children give me a great deal of hope.

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  • Sat, Dec 13 2008 2:04 PM In reply to

    • Faye
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    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

     Beautifully insightful and on point.  Thank for the reading material suggestions as well.  I am in 100% agreement on this!

  • Sat, Dec 13 2008 3:51 PM In reply to

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    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

    This is a great summary of unschooling.

    We have a 4.5 year old & about 1.5 years ago, we started looking into Montessori, then switched our focus to homeschooling, then unschooling.

    We haven't officially started with the home/un/schooling, but the cool thing about it is that there isn't really anything specific that we're going to do to start - we just plan on continuing along as we have been since our 4.5 year old was born.  We've always followed his lead & interests and he has learned so much that way. Kids are naturally curious, and we don't want to extinguish that.

  • Sat, Dec 13 2008 5:04 PM In reply to

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    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

    How Children Learn, and How Children Fail are brilliant books by John Holt, however they were his first two books, and while they offer amazing insight ... they are very early in his philosophical journey before he gave up on the idea of reforming schools.  I think "Instead of Education" by John Holt was spectacular for laying the philosophical premise for unschooling.  I found that The Teenage Liberation Handbook by Grace Llewellyn didn't offer any significant points to the mix after I read all of Holt's books ... she just threw in a bunch of random commentary on eastern philosophy and environmentalism in to the mix with the ideas of John Holt.  I have liked all of John Taylor Gatto's books and online podcasts, (http://www.altruists.org/downloads/search/?restype=0&rescategory=0&resauthors=John+Taylor+Gatto&restitle=Enter+Keyword).  However, one of the most thought provoking and important books on children I have read is "Escape from Childhood" by John Holt.  I find it twenty times more important for anyone who is an advocate of anarchy.  Anyway ... I have also made a lot of videos on education on my youtube channel if anyone wants to check it out ... Aaron0883

     

    Aaron

  • Sat, Dec 13 2008 5:22 PM In reply to

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    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

    Great post!

    Ivan Illich's work, especially Deschooling Society is in this trajectory and I find many of his writings insightful. He was an anarchist of the socialist-type but he still has a lot of good to say. 

     

     I love John Taylor Gatto as well. Some of Neil Postman's stuff is also pretty good.

    I haven't read anything by John Holt but he seems wonderful! Thanks for the new lead.

  • Sun, Dec 14 2008 9:51 AM In reply to

    • madmanlear
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    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

    Thanks for comments guys!

    @ leM: I hope you'll share your experiences in unschooling with us. I for one am very, very interested to see how FDRers approach learning.

    @ Aaron0883: The Holt books I got a hold of are the revised editions which include tons of notes on his original memos where he points out where a particular thought might have led him, or how it might have changed. Instead of Education is next in the pile, and I'm excited to get to it. Llewellyn's book was... yeah... It was the first I read on unschooling and she provided some good tips. But I did find her constant declaration of her own beliefs and preferences a bit counter-productive to the whole unschooling concept. And I will definitely check out your Youtube channel, I am happy to see other board members are already so interested.

    @ Jimmy: I will check out Illich. I've seen his name come up next to Gatto's in a couple places

     

  • Sun, Dec 14 2008 11:42 AM In reply to

    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

    You can buy Escape from Childhood for 46 cents on Amazon if anyone is interested.

    Have a look at my guide for anarchists abroad at www.sixmonthsinbrazil.com

    Check out my Anarchy and Philosophy inspired songs on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/davebrycekopp

  • Sun, Dec 14 2008 2:49 PM In reply to

    • jimmy
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    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

    david kopp:

    You can buy Escape from Childhood for 46 cents on Amazon if anyone is interested.

    Awesome.

    But David, how oh how would the poor be educated when information is so expensive to obtain?!

     

  • Sun, Dec 14 2008 3:17 PM In reply to

    • Shack
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    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

    Thanks for sharing this, I am definitely interested in reading more about these ideas. It really hits hard on the reasons I have never felt like putting effort into school.

     

  • Mon, Dec 15 2008 4:47 AM In reply to

    • Paul C.
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    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

    Thanks so much for posting this.  I've been interested in unschooling since dtomboy mentioned a while back, but I put researching it aside for the moment.  I think it would be a worthwhile subject to get back into again.

    I plan on opening a school like the Sudbury Valley School in Massacheusetts, but I think I will attempt to provide an environment similar to that of the unschooling one, as much as possible.  Of course, unschooling would be most productive within a solid family unit, but since it's very difficult for many people to homeschool, it would be nice if there were schools that offered a similar service.

    Thanks again, and I recommend checking out the Subury Valley School's website.  It's a great read if you're interested in education!

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    People who teach their kids conclusions are harming their kids ability to understand reality, and are thus abusers. Those who teach methods are not. This is a difference in kind. People who teach their kids the conclusion that Santa Claus exists are not inflicting a lifetime full of guilt or fear. Those who teach that Jesus Christ exists are. The latter are far more egregious. This is a difference in degree.

  • Sun, Dec 28 2008 8:22 AM In reply to

    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

     Hey, this is awesome.  That was the first time I ever even listened to a podcast in 'real time,' let alone actually participated.  I'm glad it's led to some of you investigating the unschooling philosophy. It definitely fits with anarcho-capitalism and as a matter of fact, homeschooling/unschooling played a big part into making me an anarcho-capitalist.

    So you guys are doing it on a much better timeline than I did. I decided to homeschool my kids and moved from that to learning about unschooling, which led to learning about libertarianism, which led to learning about anarcho-capitalism, which lead to learning about atheism (the last nut I have yet to totally crack).

    But you guys are well ahead of the game because you have already started learning about all of it before you have kids and that's going to be so, so helpful to you.

  • Sun, Dec 28 2008 7:46 PM In reply to

    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

    Thanks for starting this thread.  Our family homeschools, and we mix a few hours of bookish curriculum in each week, with unschooling the rest of the time. Some people I know call this "ecclectic unschooling."  For our family, the mix works well.  I will not go to a completely unschooling model, though I believe it works well for lots of families.  What I mostly want to say about unschooling is the following observation: the more parent involvement there is (especially under age 12) and the less TV (preferably none) the better it seems to work, in terms of kids who are interesting, interested, and learning all the time.  By parent involvement, I mean the leg work of taking children to places, to the library, to activities that fuel their passions,  and also paying attention enough to nurture their children's interests.  It seems so obvious and yet a LOT of unschoolers are hardly involved at all.  I know one mother who just watches soap operas with her kids all day.  The high school aged daughter announced one day that she felt she really needed to start learning some math because she wanted to go to college.  Attempting 10 years of math in a 2 year period is not something I'd recommend.  "Trusting the child" works well when the parents are trustworthy. :)

    p.s. I am active in a number of h.s. groups and also volunteer on a phone support line every week. I see a lot of situations and hear a lot of stories. My comments are based on this.

    “It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken adults.” - Frederick Douglass

  • Mon, Dec 29 2008 9:09 AM In reply to

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    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

    thanks for this post and for the reading recommendations! I was homeschooled for 3 years during the middle school/junior high age and it was problematic for me. I think it is a very intense choice and will lead to "more of" in the family structure. So if your family is all about religion and control, it will lead to more of that; if you are all about freedom and voluntarism I think it could be a beautiful thing. I will be reading more on this!

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  • Mon, Dec 27 2010 2:43 PM In reply to

    • Tuttle
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    Re: Introduction to Unschooling

    If you are interested in the John Holt book "Instead of Education", a bunch of us are getting together on skype in February to talk about it. More info on this thread.

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