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  • Sun, Aug 12 2007 12:27 PM

    Zeitgeist movie

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  • Sun, Aug 12 2007 2:13 PM In reply to

    Re: Zeitgeist movie

    I thought that first third was very interesting.

    The rest of it was pretty neat, but it seemed a bit of a rip off of Loose Change and America: Freedom to Fascism. In fact, I think it even used footage from LC. Interesting nonetheless, but not as cool as the first part.

  • Sun, Aug 12 2007 10:22 PM In reply to

    • Karl
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    Re: Zeitgeist movie

    I don't know much about the history of religion, but I found that part fascinating.

    Certainly, there are many unanswered questions about 9/11 and much secrecy. "They" certainly have something to hide, even if it's just incompetence and embarrassment. I wouldn't be surprised if there's complicity at some level (NORAD's inability to get fighters in the air is particularly unbelievable). The Lusitania was certainly a deliberate provocation. FDR and others in Washington certainly knew more about Pearl Harbor than they told the naval and army commanders, Kimmel and Short (an excellent book: Day of Deceit by Robert Stinnett). The Tonkin Gulf incident was bogus. Whatever involvement or foreknowledge the government did or did not have, they certainly milked it for all it's worth (without morality, human beings are simply pragmatic opportunists with mythology as justification).

    The movie referred to "Criminal elements within the US Government... "  The point is that coercive Government is crime. By natural law, any aggression against person or property is criminal, and "the State is a vast engine of institutionalized crime and aggression, the 'organization of the political means' to wealth" according to Murray Rothbard (The Ethics of Liberty).

    There have been major players behind the scenes, or, sometimes right out in the open, like the Morgan and Rockefeller interests. Rothbard goes into great detail about this in A History of Money and Banking in the United States. You can also get some free stuff on the web from mises.org:



    Our current housing boom/bust (and all other system-wide booms and busts) is the result of the fraud of fractional reserve banking and the crime of counterfeiting (by the Fed). This criminal fraud transfers income to certain elements of the financial elite and those who are favored by them, including the military-industrial-congressional-media-university complex. I wouldn't be surprised if we're moving toward a world currency controlled by a world government which can turn off anyone's RFID chip when he misbehaves (the ultimate perpetual parent!). Of course, we already had a universal currency controlled by individuals over 100 years ago: Gold. Oh well.

    Near the end of the film, the narrator mentioned a new consciousness: "Earth as a single organism." This sounds too much like environmentalist religion. I say that the human being is a single type of organism with a certain universal nature which does not have to be divided into different religions or other artificial or delusional categories (another point made by the film, and, of course, by Stefan Molyneux). There is a science of human nature, of human action, and of human society, and I think Rothbard, Rand, and Mises came very close to the truth in many areas. Any thinker who begins with the evidence of the senses, logic, rationality, and the irrefutable self-ownership of each individual human being should be able to work toward the truth. And the antidote to Leviathan (and domination in general), of course, is to speak the truth without irrational fear.
  • Sun, Aug 26 2007 4:14 PM In reply to

    • chefdoyle
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    Re: Zeitgeist movie

    Zeitgeist is a great movie. My only criticism is that it's kind of topical and reduces complex topics down to the most simple forms. Seems like the producer is hell bent on doing as much damage to society and government models as possible. Great attempt but there's much better material out there.

    If you have the time and wish to explore the tracks down different rabbit holes, then by all means watch the films that Zeitgeist pulled from.

    Religion-
    The God Who Wasn't There (just a preview, not the full movie) http://www.rationalresponders.com/the_god_who_wasnt_there

    9/11-
    Martial Law  9/11 Rise of the Police State: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4382151310886411718&q=martial+law&total=1691&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

    Who Killed John O'Neill: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3857917663523144457&q=Who+Killed+John+O%27neill&total=27&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

    The Fed and our fiat money system-

    The Money Masters: 
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936&q=the+money+masters&total=1234&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

  • Thu, Jan 24 2008 9:43 PM In reply to

    Re: Zeitgeist movie

    Just came across zeitgeist myself because it was mentioned in illustration class.  The reason I grabbed at it was my instructor, who is mostly a good guy, said that he didn't like the first part about religion because it had nothing to do with the point of the film.  I love anti-religious info personally, so I checked it out.  Turns out that the film is a bit disjointed because it doesn't make an explicit religious connection with the state, only a midly implicit one: so could have been stronger.  However, I found the info to be pretty much all relevant due to the discussion here, at least at face value.  It seems to make sense, but that is not the same as fact.  Thanks for the links guys.
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  • Fri, Jan 25 2008 12:30 AM In reply to

    • saenok
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    Re: Zeitgeist movie

    The section about central banking is what led me to look up libertarianism back when I first saw it. Surprise
  • Fri, Jan 25 2008 12:24 PM In reply to

    Re: Zeitgeist movie

    For some reason, a good bit of the statist material seemed familiar to me.  Maybe I ran across bits and peices over time and this just put them together.  I didn't like the almost cop out at the beginning of the intro.  It went something like "i am not sure if there is a god" which is not emphatically stating there is no god. Also, the Carl Sagan quote about the earth as an organsim may tend to the eco-religious viewpoint, but I think there is an important aspect to taking care of the world around you, so not really offended by that. Also, as stated before, the movie tends to be minarchist rather than anarchist based on its failure to condemn all government.  It does bring up valuable information that most people may not be aware of though.  I myself am interested in pursuing the no income tax thing and seeing where that leads.
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  • Mon, Feb 4 2008 3:44 PM In reply to

    Re: Zeitgeist movie

    I remember watching this back over.. the summer, I think.  The first part, while incredibly interesting, is ripped from something else - the title escapes me.  The rest just made me feel rather sick to the stomach.  Stick out tongue
    Am I pro, or anti, or ult- ra this, or that, or the other cult? I am questioned with such pertinacity that, once for all, I can only say I am simply here on a passing stay in a perfectly private capacity. ~ Piet Hein
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