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  • Mon, Mar 19 2007 12:43 AM

    The thread in which all my issues come to a head.

    A bit over a week ago I experienced a strong urge to take a dozen or so extra sleeping pills and just be done with it all. Once I got out of this, I was shook up, so I dumped them all in the toilet. Since then my sleep has inched backward 30-45 minutes a night, all the way from the usual 11:30, to where I'm now writing this at 4:30 in the morning. I have made up for this by sleeping in a couple times, but for the most part have continued my usual habit of getting up at around 8:30-9:00 a.m.

    I'm not sure I'd call this insomnia, because it's not like I've had trouble getting to sleep so much as no motivation to sleep.

    It is also worth noting that I have significantly decreased my consumption of stimulants such as caffeine and ephedrine in the last half month, because I am spasm-prone, and CNSs are supposed to aggravate that when combined with my new medication, Bupropion.

    With all this going on, its no wonder my sleep patterns have been thrown off, but I want to know what I can do to re-normalize them.

    It would be nice if the earth slowed its spinning just a wee bit and gave me an extra half hour in my day, but that's not a realistic expectation, is it?
     

  • Mon, Mar 19 2007 2:54 PM In reply to

    Re: Sleep!

    One of my friends here killed himself early this morning, and the weird thing is I don't care.
  • Mon, Mar 19 2007 3:25 PM In reply to

    • Nathan
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    Re: Sleep!

    Mr. Sulky Pants:
    One of my friends here killed himself early this morning, and the weird thing is I don't care.

    What do you suppose is going on with you? What are you hoping we can say to help that hasn't already been said in 690 podcasts?  There is apparently something you aren't getting that you are reaching out for, something you obviously (to my knowledge) did not get from your parents at all for sure.  These things are all symptoms and not the real core of the problem which I imagine is hell for you to face.

    Right Hug
     

  • Mon, Mar 19 2007 9:39 PM In reply to

    Re: Sleep!

    I think the problem is that I don't care. I don't care about others anymore. I don't care about morality any more. I should, but I don't care that I should, do I? No, I don't.

    I was a bit concerned when the rumors started circulating this morning that someone in the dorm was dead, because no one knew who it was, and this is a VERY small school. The first thing I thought when I found out it was Ian was, "Oh good, he was one of the few students with a non-work study job, maybe I can submit my application once this has all blown over." I believe this would be called 'opportunism', something that's frowned upon by most people.

    _________________________________________________________________

    I joined this community because of Stef's powerful argument from morality. But my reasons changed over the last year.

    The fact that I am here for all the 'wrong' reasons became apparent to me a couple weeks ago, when someone asked if there were any sadists here. I mulled this over and quickly realized that I was a sadist. For almost 15 months now, I have been using my increasing knowledge of psychology and moral philosophy to manipulate and torture my parents. No one else, just my parents.

    But oh! How fun it has been! I am perfectly able to be independent of my family, but I don't wish to be. Every lashing with my dad's belts, every slap I got for not practicing for my mom's piano lessons, every humiliating thing they made me do as I child that I'm still not comfortable mentioning here--all of it, can be used against them. And I have. Three weeks ago I reduced my mother to a sobbing puddle of tears while she was trying to check her email. I loved it! The next day, she brought me out to town and bought me a couple hundred bucks of shit I didn't want anyway! And yet, through all this, I believe I have been damaged.

    The ideas Stef has shared with me have been enormously empowering. But power corrupts. I have no interest in being good anymore. My only interest is making my parents suffer. Turning them against themselves, against each other, against me. I would liken myself to Shakespeare's Iago, but without all the finesse. And here I am now, so corrupted that feel driven to brag about it!

    There is only one twinge of guilt I feel, and that is with regards to this community. You have something here, you really do. But it is not for me, and I am not for it. I am not an asset to you, in fact I've become so toxic that I think I can only damage you. It is for this reason you should consider yourselves lucky to be rid of me, and I shall be happy to rejoin the mainstream as a moderate Republican with full knowledge of my evil, and all the benefits of being 'normal.'

     

  • Tue, Mar 20 2007 4:18 AM In reply to

    Re: Sleep!

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  • Tue, Mar 20 2007 2:59 PM In reply to

    Re: Sleep!

    Not my anger, my actions. I only wanted to hurt them. Now I only want to hurt others, I only want to hurt myself, I only want to hurt you. I hate you Stefan, I hate you because I can't dispute your philosophy, and I can't live by it either. So I can either loathe myself every time I nod my head in agreement with statists and theists, or I can relish in the evil I'm enabling.
  • Tue, Mar 20 2007 3:03 PM In reply to

    • Nathan
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    Re: Sleep!

    Herostratus:
    Not my anger, my actions. I only wanted to hurt them. Now I only want to hurt others, I only want to hurt myself, I only want to hurt you. I hate you Stefan, I hate you because I can't dispute your philosophy, and I can't live by it either. So I can either loathe myself every time I nod my head in agreement with statists and theists, or I can relish in the evil I'm enabling.

    Why can't you live by it? Who or what is stopping you? If you don't love yourself, if you hate yourself then you can't possibly love anyone else so that you "hate Stefan" is really redundant to say.

    Did you listen to the podcast? 

  • Tue, Mar 20 2007 3:08 PM In reply to

    Re: Sleep!

    I need friends that I can discuss issues deeper than the weather with, which is ironic because you're right, I do hate everyone.
  • Tue, Mar 20 2007 3:13 PM In reply to

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    Re: Sleep!

    Snidely:
    I need friends that I can discuss issues deeper than the weather with, which is ironic because you're right, I do hate everyone.

    And where does the blame for that really lie? Where does all that hate belong? Who are the correct targets?  Why are you not allowing yourself to fully experience these emotions but instead reacting to them by lashing out? 

  • Tue, Mar 20 2007 3:30 PM In reply to

    You won't get anywhere with that line of reasoning because I'm not arguing against it. I could defoo right now and live in poverty for the rest of my short life. No, I will be a 'good' son and go to church, get married, and get a nice cushy government job after my parents pay my tuition like they did for my sisters.
  • Tue, Mar 20 2007 3:37 PM In reply to

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    Re: yes!

    Snidely:
    No, I will be a 'good' son and go to church, get married, and get a nice cushy government job after my parents pay my tuition like they did for my sisters.
    Why?
  • Tue, Mar 20 2007 3:49 PM In reply to

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    Re: yes!

    Greg Gauthier:
    Snidely:
    No, I will be a 'good' son and go to church, get married, and get a nice cushy government job after my parents pay my tuition like they did for my sisters.
    Why?

    Exactly, why continue to condemn yourself for the crimes committed against you?  Why continue to hit yourself in the face after being forced to hit yourself in the face?

  • Tue, Mar 20 2007 3:57 PM In reply to

    Re: yes!

    Confused Because we are living in a material world, and I am a material girl.

     

    What I need is money. If I don't get a good job, I won't have any money. If I don't finish college, I won't be able to get a good job. If my parents don't start helping me soon I won't be able to finish college. If I don't appease my parents, they aren't going to help me pay for college. Subscribing to your philosophy only undermines me at every level of my ambitions.

  • Tue, Mar 20 2007 3:57 PM In reply to

    Re: yes!

    Snidely:
    You won't get anywhere with that line of reasoning because I'm not arguing against it. I could defoo right now and live in poverty for the rest of my short life. No, I will be a 'good' son and go to church, get married, and get a nice cushy government job after my parents pay my tuition like they did for my sisters.

    You feel frustrated and angry, but helpless. You want to avoid that helpless feeling because it will propel you into action, which you fear.

    Because you will not process your fear and frustration, you are provoking it in others, here on the Board, by attacking virtue, talking about suicide, and rejecting all help.

    Board members, don't get sucked in. Snidely, get off the goddamned fence and get rid of your family.

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