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  • Wed, Dec 20 2006 6:02 PM

    OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    So this afternoon, when my son came home from school, he was dragging something extra. He threw his books on the kitchen table and flashed me a smile, heading to the fridge. I hated to ask, but I really couldn’t resist.

     

    “Hey son,” I asked, “who’s in the sack?”

     

    “Oh” he said, opening the fridge door. “That's just my date.”

     

    “Your date?”

     

    “Yeah. For the prom tomorrow.”

     

    “Huh.” I regarded the burlap outline. “She can breathe, right?”

     

    He threw me a scornful look. “Uh, I need her for the prom, duh. She can totally breathe!”

     

    “Hm. Did you ask her first?”

     

    “Excuse me?”

     

    “Did you ask here to go to the prom?”

     

    He scowled at me. My son doesn’t think I am very bright sometimes. “Uh, Dad, she’s like in a sack. What do you think?”

     

    “So you didn’t ask her?”

     

    He shrugged, taking a long pull at a milk bag, then wiping his mouth. “Nah. Sack’s easier.”

     

    “And she just… got into the sack?”

     

    “As if. This has been going back and forth for like a week. First I told her I was going to take her to the prom.” He makes a face. “She gets all ‘oh, that’s so inapproooproiate!’ So I tell her OK, if she doesn’t want to go with me, I’ll just kidnap her cat. She’s all over that cat, it’s like her boyfriend or something. Still she says no.” He shrugs. “So I take the cat. Still she says no. Then I threaten to shave it. Nothing. So then I tell her I’ll cut a paw off the cat if she doesn’t come to the prom with me. She bursts into tears.” He purses his lips in a thoughtful manner. “I don’t get it. She doesn’t care about the cat, then all of a sudden she does? Oh well. So now I have a date!” he finishes proudly. “All it took was a little persistence.”

     

    “I’m not sure that she does want to go with you, son,” I say. I don’t want to upset him. He’s been a little high-strung lately. I guess he really misses his mom since she went away recently.

     

    “What do you mean ‘she doesn’t want to come’?” he demands, gesturing at the prone sack. “She’s here, isn’t she?”

     

    “Yeah, but you kind of had to start… um…” I swallow. “…dismembering her cat, right?”

     

    “Well sure, but she chose that too! She could have just agreed to come to the prom with me in the first place!” His face is turning red.

     

    I try to keep my voice even. Sooooothing. “But she’s only here because you threatened her. Don’t you see that she was willing to have her cat kidnapped rather than go to the prom with you?”

     

    He held up his hand. I stopped.

     

    “Dad…” he said softly. “There’s no need to get upset. I’m just doing what she told me to do.”

     

    My heart chilled a degree or two. “What? She…”

     

    He beamed at me. “Sure! She says that the government is what the people choose, and I said no, that doesn’t seem right to me, because the government throws you in jail if you break the rules, and the people don’t get to set the rules. And so she goes into this loooong spiel about how basically the government does make you do stuff,  but only stuff you wanted to do anyway, but probably just didn’t know it. I try to talk about the force, the stuff you talk about, dad, you know, the ‘bun in the room’…”

     

    “Gun in the room,” I say involuntarily.

     

    “Right, right, but she doesn’t want to listen! She says the government has the right to force you to do stuff because you’ve chosen the government. I said that if you’re a good enough person that you can choose a good government, why do you need to have all these guns pointed at you?” He’s getting quite worked up now. “But nooo, apparently we’re all just good people who want to do good things but we still have to pay off the ‘good’ government or we get dragged off to jail!”

     

    “Right,” I say. Sometimes I wish I’d waited for a Libertarian society to emerge before having kids.

     

    He taps his chin with his finger, staring at the sack. “So then I think: hey, what if she’s right? What if when you force someone to do something, it’s actually what they would have wanted to do anyway? So you’re not really forcing them, you’re just…” He sighs. “I don’t know.” Then he brightens. “But I do have a date for the prom!”

     

    “Son,” I said slowly. “I know you miss your mom, but she’ll be released in a year or so. And you can’t go around dragging girls home in a sack…”

     

    “Girls?” he repeated scornfully. “She’s not a girl! She’s my political science teacher.” He leans over the sack, raising his voice. “And she’s been telling me and telling me that my mom chose to go to prison, so now she’s choosing to come to the prom with me!”

     

    I signed, and leaned over to untie the sack, trying to figure out – not for the first time, and not for the last – how to explain the bottomless depths of human hypocrisy to my son.

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  • Wed, Dec 20 2006 6:09 PM In reply to

    • GregG
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    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    A little rough, but putting these concepts into concrete, personal terms (like the worst meeting article) is a real stroke of brilliance. Yes

     

  • Wed, Dec 20 2006 6:21 PM In reply to

    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    Thanks for taking a look - do you mean rough in style, or in content?

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  • Wed, Dec 20 2006 6:53 PM In reply to

    • GregG
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    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    Content.

    Something I've noticed about myself over the last 3 or 4 months, is an extremely heightened sensitivity to violence. I found myself wincing at the idea that a child could do something like kidnapping and animal mutilation.

    A more dramatic example of this, is something that happened to me last Friday:

    My youngest brother John talked me into going to see Apocalypto with him. Besides being a meandering, pointless story, there are  intensely horrifying and graphic depictions of meaningless barbarity and violence throughout. For the first time since I was 8 or 9 years old, I found myself covering my face with my hat. I missed almost half the film because of that. I was literally shaking by the time I left the theater. As recently as a year or two ago, I would have scoffed at that kind of sensitivity as childish and immature. Now, I see it as a measure of my humanity.

    So, as far as the article goes, I can understand how you have to use it to get the attention of an audience that is, as of yet, not quite as atuned to violence and coercion as we, but I still can't help but point it out... Tongue Tied 

     

  • Wed, Dec 20 2006 7:42 PM In reply to

    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    Yeah, I toned it down from the first version... I had the same experience with the 'head in a vice' scene in Casino.

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  • Wed, Dec 20 2006 7:58 PM In reply to

    • GregG
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    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    For the record, though, I think this would be a great addition to your article collection.

     

    and, P.S., if you weren't quite sure yet, whether Mel Gibson was a stark-raving psychopathic, blood lusting lunatic after Patriot, or Passion of the Christ, then Apocalypto should help push you over the top...

     

  • Wed, Dec 20 2006 9:36 PM In reply to

    • Nathan
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    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    Wow heh, yeah this one is good I think.

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  • Wed, Dec 20 2006 11:37 PM In reply to

    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    Umm...

    Don't give up your day job???

    Big Smile 

  • Thu, Dec 21 2006 5:37 AM In reply to

    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    Assume the article is for non-Stefistas. The phrase "gun in the room" should be hotlinked to the article discussing it.

    "Bun in the room" makes me think of why people go to dating sites and seemingly-perversely talk of all manner of things other than you-know-what.. Big Smile

     

  • Thu, Dec 21 2006 5:56 AM In reply to

    • Tuttle
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    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    "how I raised a total psycho" by Stef? Tongue Tied
  • Thu, Dec 21 2006 8:22 AM In reply to

    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    Hi Stef,

    I really like this one.  I say that with large reservations, but with a lot of hope.  I think you've got a great idea but that it needs work.  The part up front works well as it is. At the point where it turns from Prom to Government it makes a huge leap, both in subject as well as clarity of vision.  I found myself, even though I agree with your basic premise and outlook... lost.  The government part didn't make sense.  The part about putting the date in the bag and the cat and all, that was clean and clear.  The government part was not.   It was here: "He beamed at me. “Sure! She says that the government is what the people choose, and I said no, that doesn’t seem right to me, because the government throws you in jail if you break the rules..."  where I think you need to spend time.  This transition just doesn't work for me.  And I don't think that your description of the mindset is clear.   

    The punch line at the end about it being his polysci teacher is absolute brilliance!

    I hope you can get this to work better as I really like the idea and most of the story.

    - NonE

    Stefan Molyneux:

    So this afternoon, when my son came home from school, he was dragging something extra. He threw his books on the kitchen table and flashed me a smile, heading to the fridge. I hated to ask, but I really couldn’t resist.



     

    “Hey son,” I asked, “who’s in the sack?”

     

    “Oh” he said, opening the fridge door. “That's just my date.”

     

    “Your date?”

     

    “Yeah. For the prom tomorrow.”

     

    “Huh.” I regarded the burlap outline. “She can breathe, right?”

     

    He threw me a scornful look. “Uh, I need her for the prom, duh. She can totally breathe!”

     

    “Hm. Did you ask her first?”

     

    “Excuse me?”

     

    “Did you ask here to go to the prom?”

     

    He scowled at me. My son doesn’t think I am very bright sometimes. “Uh, Dad, she’s like in a sack. What do you think?”

     

    “So you didn’t ask her?”

     

    He shrugged, taking a long pull at a milk bag, then wiping his mouth. “Nah. Sack’s easier.”

     

    “And she just… got into the sack?”

     

    “As if. This has been going back and forth for like a week. First I told her I was going to take her to the prom.” He makes a face. “She gets all ‘oh, that’s so inapproooproiate!’ So I tell her OK, if she doesn’t want to go with me, I’ll just kidnap her cat. She’s all over that cat, it’s like her boyfriend or something. Still she says no.” He shrugs. “So I take the cat. Still she says no. Then I threaten to shave it. Nothing. So then I tell her I’ll cut a paw off the cat if she doesn’t come to the prom with me. She bursts into tears.” He purses his lips in a thoughtful manner. “I don’t get it. She doesn’t care about the cat, then all of a sudden she does? Oh well. So now I have a date!” he finishes proudly. “All it took was a little persistence.”

     

    “I’m not sure that she does want to go with you, son,” I say. I don’t want to upset him. He’s been a little high-strung lately. I guess he really misses his mom since she went away recently.

     

    “What do you mean ‘she doesn’t want to come’?” he demands, gesturing at the prone sack. “She’s here, isn’t she?”

     

    “Yeah, but you kind of had to start… um…” I swallow. “…dismembering her cat, right?”

     

    “Well sure, but she chose that too! She could have just agreed to come to the prom with me in the first place!” His face is turning red.

     

    I try to keep my voice even. Sooooothing. “But she’s only here because you threatened her. Don’t you see that she was willing to have her cat kidnapped rather than go to the prom with you?”

     

    He held up his hand. I stopped.

     

    “Dad…” he said softly. “There’s no need to get upset. I’m just doing what she told me to do.”

     

    My heart chilled a degree or two. “What? She…”

     

    He beamed at me. “Sure! She says that the government is what the people choose, and I said no, that doesn’t seem right to me, because the government throws you in jail if you break the rules, and the people don’t get to set the rules. And so she goes into this loooong spiel about how basically the government does make you do stuff,  but only stuff you wanted to do anyway, but probably just didn’t know it. I try to talk about the force, the stuff you talk about, dad, you know, the ‘bun in the room’…”

     

    “Gun in the room,” I say involuntarily.

     

    “Right, right, but she doesn’t want to listen! She says the government has the right to force you to do stuff because you’ve chosen the government. I said that if you’re a good enough person that you can choose a good government, why do you need to have all these guns pointed at you?” He’s getting quite worked up now. “But nooo, apparently we’re all just good people who want to do good things but we still have to pay off the ‘good’ government or we get dragged off to jail!”

     

    “Right,” I say. Sometimes I wish I’d waited for a Libertarian society to emerge before having kids.

     

    He taps his chin with his finger, staring at the sack. “So then I think: hey, what if she’s right? What if when you force someone to do something, it’s actually what they would have wanted to do anyway? So you’re not really forcing them, you’re just…” He sighs. “I don’t know.” Then he brightens. “But I do have a date for the prom!”

     

    “Son,” I said slowly. “I know you miss your mom, but she’ll be released in a year or so. And you can’t go around dragging girls home in a sack…”

     

    “Girls?” he repeated scornfully. “She’s not a girl! She’s my political science teacher.” He leans over the sack, raising his voice. “And she’s been telling me and telling me that my mom chose to go to prison, so now she’s choosing to come to the prom with me!”

     

    I signed, and leaned over to untie the sack, trying to figure out – not for the first time, and not for the last – how to explain the bottomless depths of human hypocrisy to my son.

  • Thu, Dec 21 2006 9:39 AM In reply to

    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    Yeah, I think you're right, it needs some work on the transition... Thanks!

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  • Thu, Dec 21 2006 6:52 PM In reply to

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    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    Wink
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  • Thu, Dec 21 2006 7:24 PM In reply to

    Re: OK, slightly different article of mine - let me know what you think...

    The sack thing never worked for me. Good job Stefan I like it, but I agree with Greg on the content points.
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