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 Stef, I heard you say recently that politicians are smart enough to see the coming demise of their tax farm and they will adapt to avoid a total collapse by allowing the productive livestock enough restored freedom to shore up the economy while cutting the benefits to the dependent ones, in so many words. I find it hard to believe that with your intellect that you can't see that which is so obvious to many in the U.S. The financial oligarchs who own our political prostitutes are doing everything possible to destroy America. They have de-industrialized us, laced out foods with poisons and our water with neural toxins, brought us into wars without end by yet another false flag attack on 9/11, allowed the banks to run up debt on the order of a quadrillian dollars, and all the while, they have developed of a massive police state ready to deal with the revolution they are trying to provoke. Our nation has gone beyond the point of no return, the U.S. dollar will collapse sooner than later, and there is no way to avoid the chaos that will cause world wide. There is a great deal more going on than the greatest transfer of wealth in human history, which is being done to weaken us to the point where we won't be able to resist what is coming, the new world order. Stef, its not about money, its about control. None of your conclusions or speculations can explain WHY America and other nations of the western world are being destroyed by design unless you accept that there is an adgenda to bring about world government. Please don't speak of our political leaders as people who have a plan, or even a clue as to what is happening, they are but a dog and pony show to distract us and bleed us of time and energy which would be better used to fight those who pull their strings. Enough said.      

Of course there is an agenda for world government.  That is what all government wants.  They all want to expand.  But that is like saying that people who operate businesses are trying to make as much money as they can.  Of course that it what they want.

I don't think Stef has denied what is obviously occuring in the US. 

I also don't ever recall Stef denying that there is a push torwards world government.

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I can't speak for Stef, so I won't.  But in my opinion, I think the label of "world governmment" as opposed to "government" doesn't seem to matter.

Who it is enslaving people doesn't really matter. The point is that people are being enslaved.

I am not trying to argue that it isn't happening and I don't get the feeling that Stefan is either, but I don't think focusing on who is using the system of government most effectively is the point.

World government is a reality, but it isn't really any different from a nationalized government, except in the span of its control.  Government is a parasite that simply grows.  The fact that the next logical step is world government is not a real shock, as it has simply grown to that level.

I think Stefan focuses on what makes it grow and this is far more effective than freaking out about what it will eat next.

leonardoCampidonica:

Stef, its not about money, its about control. None of your conclusions or speculations can explain WHY America and other nations of the western world are being destroyed by design unless you accept that there is an adgenda to bring about world government. Please don't speak of our political leaders as people who have a plan, or even a clue as to what is happening

I don't recall any podcast in which Stef claims that "the nations of the western world are being destroyed by design". 

What difference does it make if the oligarchs are undermining civilization deliberately or as a result of fecklessness?

The only pertinent question is why there are oligarchs in the first place.

Alan Chapman:

What difference does it make if the oligarchs are undermining civilization deliberately or as a result of fecklessness?

The only pertinent question is why there are oligarchs in the first place.

Because so many believe they have good intentions?

david kopp:

The fact that the next logical step is world government is not a real shock, as it has simply grown to that level.

You know what you really need to achieve a "world" government? An "off-world" threat. That's because the human ego-structure always needs an oppositional "other" to hold its fictitious sense of "self" together.

I suspect some very interesting things will start to happen to the ego-structure once our sense of playing field goes galactic, however, which I believe is extremely soon.

I was actually going to write that exact thing in my previous post. 

I think something of that nature could occur.  Aliens would work best, but I suppose they could use a from earth too. For example, if they can get people to think Al Quada has a nuclear weapon I think they could get the same results.  

Although there is something less scary about a weapon that will make you disappear before you even realize what is happening. 

The problem with the alien thing is that if it was real, there really isnt anything to gain for the political elite because we would all be dead or enslaved to the aliens.

It would work if you could convince people that aliens were here even though they are not, but that would be a lot harder to convince people of than a fictious terrorist threat.

david kopp:

 

The problem with the alien thing is that if it was real, there really isnt anything to gain for the political elite because we would all be dead or enslaved to the aliens.

 

 

I am just saying that if aliens came and took over earth, it would get bad for all humans I suspect.  It would be pretty tough to make that a good thing for any humans.

I am not saying it is going to happen or anything like that. I am just saying you can spin most other problems in ways that benefit the government.  They can turn floods into increased budgets for government programs.  They can turn 9 eleven into the patriot act.  But aliens attacking is really unpredictable and crazy and i dont think they could make that a positive for the government. 

I am only talking about an alien attack.

david kopp:

 

I am only talking about an alien attack.

 

 That is correct, he has not stated that the destruction of the western nations is by "design", that IS my point. He has stated that we are going the way of ancient Rome, and it is only a predictable result of any productive and relatively free nation state, that is, its success only creates a successful tyrany in the end, which is true. He recently stated that our politicians logically must be smarter than us since they manipulate us so well, and will, at some time before a revolution is at hand, free us up enough to preserve the highly productive tax farm known as America, but he has also stated that that which mathematically cannot sustain, will not sustain, in reference to the coming national financial collapse, which I believe is true and which is the opposite of his recent statement. I simply pointed out that our government (owned and controlled by the Federal Reserve) is going out of their way to destroy our productivity with no sign of easing up to avoid a collapse, while building up a huge police state, and that there is a method in their madness that he either does not recognize or has decided not to address, at least in full. I have never mentioned any off worldly influence on current earthly events in this public forum for I have no evidence to prove such an assertion. I did mention in a private letter to Stef that the work of David Icke and Michael Tsarion at least provide a balanced theory as to why our world is the mess that it is today, so I fail to understand any reference to off worldly influence in this comment thread. Leonardo Campidonica    

You believe that reptillions from another universe that have been living here an enslaving earth a "balanced theory"?