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 mostly,disputes within societies are between to groups with oppsing interest,in these statist times,the different groups try manipulate state power to work in their advantage and I was wondering how that would play out with DRO's

lets take IP for example,having IP protection is the interest of a very small group,that of auothers,inventors and maybe publishers and lawyers.Therefore the general public doesnt value them as much as normal property and would not view someone who violates IP as having a greater chance of doing other crimes or deafolt on debts,therefore it would be unjustified for a DRO to lower that someone's credit rating or use social and buisness ostersism.if the DRO still opts to do that,people would have far less confidace in that DRO's ratings and choose to leave this DRO.

there are times that the public would like to have IP protection,like when someone copies the golden arches and fakes being mcdonald's,but that would be another matter entirly

and therefore,regardless of rather IP is moral or not,it would probbly not exist within a non statist system    

tom sh:

 there are times that the public would like to have IP protection,like when someone copies the golden arches and fakes being mcdonald's,but that would be another matter entirly

 

You're right, this could be a case of fraud... I'm not exactly sure.

You're also right about influence and DRO's. In your "IP" example, I would imagine that people who want IP would join a pro-IP DRO; and those who didn't like it would join a anti-IP DRO. Per your example, the anti-IP DRO would be larger than the pro-IP one.

And just like everything else, the DRO's would profit from reaching a mutual agreement that would satisfy the customers. If no agreement can be made, each customer would have to individaully decide just how important this issue is, or cut off the opposing part of society as criminal.

 yeah and that means that people would be deciding what laws should be respected in trade between individuals,thats not that bad but still worth considering how to go around that,say if DRO clamp down on the first guy that does the violation of the copyright contract which he then disseminates to others.Individually,no one takes the effort to crack a CD or copy a book from library shelf,and maybe the answer is to have an un copyable medium like a nintendo casste which no one has the gear to copy

"there are times that the public would like to have IP protection,like when someone copies the golden arches and fakes being mcdonald's,but that would be another matter entirly"

I think that currently there is a "crowding out" effect in identifying brands. With state enforced I.P. law, there is less incentive to develop ingenious solutions for preventing consumers from falling for fake branding.

If you think about it, copying the golden arches is ONLY profitable if people will go to your store thinking that it is a McDonald's.

Obviously, the real McDonald's wants a way for people to verify that they are in fact McDonald's, and people who eat at McDonald's want to verify that they are eating at a real McDonald's. With this alignment in interest I see NO WAY that this will not be achieved.

Here's a couple ideas off the top of my head (and I'm not as smart as millions of people all working on the problem with $$ in their eyes):

1. Have the McDonald's website list their real locations. You can look up on the website to verify that it is a real McDonald's. You don't have to do this every time you go, only a few people and then word of mouth will take care of the rest.

2. McDonald's would keep an eye out for fake McDonald's. They might pay a cash reward for spotting one. If they did, they would launch a public awareness campaign in the neighborhood to let people know that it is not a real McDonald's. No guns required. If people want to still eat there, that's their choice.

If someone invests all of the money to build a fake McDonald's, and then people find out it's fake, they just lost a ton of money. I highly doubt anyone will do it. They're way better off franchising a McDonald's or starting a new restaurant chain.

Call me a hair-splitter, but:

If someone is copying a brand or trademark (e.g., with the intention of piggybacking off of a competitor's reputation), this does not involve "intellectual property".

This is a case of a person or business misrepresenting his/its identity (creditworthiness, etc.) in order to gain the confidence of people who - if they knew the truth - would not do business with them.  You probably could make a case for DROs to have rules against this sort of behavior, but it's probably also a safe assumption (as isCyborg points out) that the fraudster would find himself ostracized from the market overnight (perhaps by mid-afternoon, given how fast news can break over the internet).