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  • Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:44 PM

    just heartbreaking...

    This, from a high school student, on the recent liberty roundtable:

    what is a methodology for thinking tho ? i agree with everything u guys say about everything lol. and on top of that, i think that one line by stef on how we r not thought how to think reeeally hits home. i find that the more i learn through u guys, the more ridiculous and frustratingly annoying highschool gets. and to be honest i cant wait to get out. id like to just dish school and home school my self, and i like to think id do a better job :P, grate convo

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  • Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:34 PM In reply to

    Re: just heartbreaking...

     

    I dropped out of highschool and educated myself. Not having a highschool diploma really sucks.

  • Wed, Nov 4 2009 7:14 PM In reply to

    Re: just heartbreaking...

    It really is heartbreaking... you can see the awesome potential...

    "Use the flame of knowledge to light candles, not peoples' hair"-- S. Molyneux

  • Wed, Nov 4 2009 11:03 PM In reply to

    • Theodoric
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    Re: just heartbreaking...

    Oh my dear, how terrible. I'd love to be able to help this fellow. So where the fuck are his caregivers and mentors and how can he possibly homeschool himself without the support and validation he so clearly needs? Heartbreaking indeed.

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  • Thu, Nov 5 2009 3:40 PM In reply to

    Re: just heartbreaking...

     I am 19. I dropped out of high school two years ago.

    I do agree with a poster already in this thread, it sucks not having a piece of paper certifying that you are not a dumbass. Sadly employers look at a high school diploma with envious eyes.

    However, I just took my GED test yesterday (I did very well) and I also will be taking the SAT in december. From there hopefully I can dig my way into the private college I would like to attend.

    I can honestly say I have learned SO much more since the two years I have been liberated from public school than the 11 years of "education" I recieved.

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  • Thu, Nov 5 2009 3:41 PM In reply to

    Re: just heartbreaking...

    Hey, congratulations on doing so well in your test, that is wonderful! Big Smile

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  • Thu, Nov 5 2009 3:47 PM In reply to

    Re: just heartbreaking...

     Thank you. :D

    In order to pass the GED test you have to "show" the academic level of a graduating high school student. I believe the score is like 2250 to pass. The test has five subjects (maxium score is 4000).

    I do not want to sound snotty or whatever but man, oh man, if the kind of material on that test is an accurate reflection of a high school graduate I am not impressed.

    It was extremely sad to see that some students in my class picked the answer "wood" for this fill in the blank setence...

    "Wood you go to the store with me?"

    Then on the math section the most advance thing I had to do was use the Pythagorean Theorem and then divide.

    Ahhh.

     

    Thanks though, Stef.

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  • Fri, Nov 6 2009 2:14 AM In reply to

    • Paul C.
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    Re: just heartbreaking...

    useyoureyes:

     

    It was extremely sad to see that some students in my class picked the answer "wood" for this fill in the blank setence...

    "Wood you go to the store with me?"

    Then on the math section the most advance thing I had to do was use the Pythagorean Theorem and then divide.

    Sounds like I could have saved myself 2 years of that shit.   Man, I can't wait to start handing out CDs full of School Sucks and FDR podcasts to American teenagers.

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    People who teach their kids conclusions are harming their kids ability to understand reality, and are thus abusers. Those who teach methods are not. This is a difference in kind. People who teach their kids the conclusion that Santa Claus exists are not inflicting a lifetime full of guilt or fear. Those who teach that Jesus Christ exists are. The latter are far more egregious. This is a difference in degree.

  • Fri, Nov 6 2009 11:05 AM In reply to

    Re: just heartbreaking...

    It's not heartbreaking to me.  The person is aware of their predicament, has sought out other ideas, so their mind has NOT been won over by any kind of statist mind control.  The indoctrination has failed.  Of course the environment is bad and needs to change, but it is not so wholly evil that it can successfully corrupt every person.  We wouldn't be here if public school had won.  We wouldn't be here if we fully bought into all the bad ideas of history.  That alone is reason to hope.

    "A strange game.  The only way to win is not to play."

  • Fri, Nov 6 2009 12:10 PM In reply to

    • Magnus
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    Re: just heartbreaking...

    There is so much social and cultural pressure for young people to "get a job."  The media is full of that kind of message -- that without your HS diploma, or college degree, or whatever, you'll never be able to "get a good job." 

    Getting a job is the economic option of last resort.  It should never be a final goal, not for a bright, independent-minded person.  (I suppose that, in some specialized fields, there is no such thing as self-employment or self-education, thanks to the monopoly of the State, but in general, for people who want their job to provide the best income, the way to go is entrepreneurship, not employment.) 

    I can certainly understand getting a survival job at Starbucks or Best Buy to make ends meet.  One does what one must, and I have certainly done my share of it.  But I can't think of a single time when an employer actually verified my education level. I don't recommend going around lying, of course, but isn't it possible to get an entry-level job without actually having a HS diploma?  I would think that a person who can add, write, speak clearly and politely, maintain a clean, presentable appearance, show up regularly, stay awake and solve basic problems would be a valuable employee regardless of certification by a government school.  Isn't it possible to get a job at places like Home Depot without one?

    My point is that all of the outrageous and constant fear-mongering about how you'll never amount to anything in life without a government-certified (non-education) strikes me as phony -- a paper tiger, smoke and mirrors, an empty threat.  Maybe someone with real-world experience at job-hunting can educate me on the realities of youth employment here in the post-Internet era.

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  • Fri, Nov 6 2009 12:40 PM In reply to

    Re: just heartbreaking...

    For me, the heartbreak partially revolved around a clearly thinking mind not able to express itself freely, using atrocious grammar and spelling. The heartbreak is that this is a high school student who can't spell or string a sentence together-- not because he's stupid, but because his caregivers have utterly failed him.

    It reminded me eerily of Flowers For Algernon.

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  • Fri, Nov 6 2009 12:53 PM In reply to

    Re: just heartbreaking...

    Thanks for saying what I was thinking Dave!

    "A strange game.  The only way to win is not to play."

  • Fri, Nov 6 2009 1:00 PM In reply to

    • Magnus
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    Re: just heartbreaking...

    It's partially a product of texting as a medium.  Media technology affects the content.  (The medium is the message, or something like that.)

    “I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces.”

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  • Fri, Nov 6 2009 1:18 PM In reply to

    Re: just heartbreaking...

    And people apparently don't know when NOT to use it.  I assume the next development will be kids communicating in binary code.

    "A strange game.  The only way to win is not to play."

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