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NONE

Of course you know one of us is going to ask you this but how did you feel emotionally before during and after you read his responses?  When you first saw he sent you a response, what was the gut feeling?

NONE

Well it's about reason and evidence right?  It doesn't matter who says 2+2=4, it matters how you arrive at that conclusion.  But might I be annoying and point out that you didn't tell me what you were feeling, but rather what you thought

freedomfighter:

My unsolicited advice would be to move on. Your brother is a lost case. (Just in case you haven't already concluded this)

Uncle Bob:

 

My unsolicited advice would be to move on. Your brother is a lost case. (Just in case you haven't already concluded this)

I respect your opinion. You may be right but I think its important to figure that out for myself.

freedomfighter:

My gut feeling was that he won't use reasoning when listening to Stef. He will view Stef as either right or wrong. He will ask himself the question, should I trust what these man says or not? My gut feeling was that my brother would use the wrong mindset when listening to Stef.

Thats a common mistake to judge the image or charakter of a person and not the content of its statement. The question raised it the video are interesting and worth pondering, even if you dont like the evil smile of the presenter.

Bad guys can tell true things, and good guys can tell falsehoods. Its not that easy to judge.

Still. There are ways to hurt peoples rationality by selectively telling them true informations. But that art is rarely known so i wouldnt expect anyone to use that argument.

Martin

I'm wondering is anyone who wasn't already "converted" liked this video. I loved the concept, but I don't think anyone I know will be starting a 12-step program.

I've had much better results by sharing "Everyday Anarchy."

For kicks, I tried sending it to an email list with a mix of repealers and reformers. Below are the responses:

Thanks,

Jim

Ken the political libertarian:

What a joke!  This video is nothing but a bunch of anarchist bull.

   Not that I'm defending any of the abominations a government might
perpetrate upon its citizenry, such as the ones your anarchist video cites.
Rather, I'd like you to explain to me how your anarchy would function
effectively as an alternative.  I bet you can't.

   Why not?  Because that's the nature of an anarchy -- it possesses an
innate squirminess that defies a definitive answer.  Doubtless one anarchist
or group or anarchists would choose to handle things using Method A, another
would use Method B, a third, Method C, etc. Which Method does your Babb
brand of anarchy support, I wonder?  And what do you do when your ends
conflict with those of another -- do you initiate the use of force and go to
war with them?

   Regardless, we can argue all day about whether Method A, B, or C is
best, but the fact stands that its participants already participate in
Method A or B or C or whatever.  Extrapolating from that truth, what we have
NOW (call it Method U for United States or Method P for Pennsylvania) is
what the participants have chosen, either directly (by their actions) or
indirectly (by their inaction).  That means your anarchy effectively exists
NOW.  The People have spoken!

   So rather than talking about eliminating government, let's talk instead
about how Method U and P can be corrected and improved.  Now THAT is
something I think you can answer.  But anarchistic nonsense like your video
is not even a question, let alone an answer.

Adam the "good government" reform guy:

He's got the Jame T Kirk speaking style going. :p

But some people need to realize that, since the majority of people
HAVE gone to public schools, if you want them to listen to your
message, it is not a good idea to start out by insulting them.  After
that point I turned off the video because I had no desire to listen to
someone who pretty much just called me ignorant.

Jeni another "reformer":

Well, apparently my lower class education -having 
had 12 years in the public school system as well 
as four years -and a degree too -from one of 
those other lower class schools too -a state 
university that is also a Big Ten School like 
Penn State University, which apparently doesn't 
fit within your criteria for a fine or even 
decent education, I guess I never learned the meaning of "statist" either.

But how on earth could I possibly have acquired 
that knowledge, being of such a lower class 
individual as you purport me to be -based on my inferior education and all.

Some how, I'm thinking your fine, upper-class 
education didn't teach you a darned thing about 
the words "Arrogance" and "rudeness" either for that matter.

Jeni XXXXXX
Proud graduate -1962 of West Branch Area High School, Cooper Center
and equally proud graduate of Penn State University. 1994, B.S. Rehab. Ed.

"Freedom" (already converted)

This video:  I'm glad you shared it.  It will help in a certain amount of Statist cases, and the un-admitted Statists can just keep poo-pooing it....  This person on video is SPOT ON.
It's well produced, and so refreshing!

Thank you so much,
Freedom

jimbabb:

 

Ken the political libertarian:

What a joke!  This video is nothing but a bunch of anarchist bull.

   Not that I'm defending any of the abominations a government might
perpetrate upon its citizenry, such as the ones your anarchist video cites.
Rather, I'd like you to explain to me how your anarchy would function
effectively as an alternative.  I bet you can't.

   Why not?  Because that's the nature of an anarchy -- it possesses an
innate squirminess that defies a definitive answer.  Doubtless one anarchist
or group or anarchists would choose to handle things using Method A, another
would use Method B, a third, Method C, etc. Which Method does your Babb
brand of anarchy support, I wonder?  And what do you do when your ends
conflict with those of another -- do you initiate the use of force and go to
war with them?

   Regardless, we can argue all day about whether Method A, B, or C is
best, but the fact stands that its participants already participate in
Method A or B or C or whatever.  Extrapolating from that truth, what we have
NOW (call it Method U for United States or Method P for Pennsylvania) is
what the participants have chosen, either directly (by their actions) or
indirectly (by their inaction).  That means your anarchy effectively exists
NOW.  The People have spoken!

   So rather than talking about eliminating government, let's talk instead
about how Method U and P can be corrected and improved.  Now THAT is
something I think you can answer.  But anarchistic nonsense like your video
is not even a question, let alone an answer.

 

Adam the "good government" reform guy:

He's got the Jame T Kirk speaking style going. :p

But some people need to realize that, since the majority of people
HAVE gone to public schools, if you want them to listen to your
message, it is not a good idea to start out by insulting them.  After
that point I turned off the video because I had no desire to listen to
someone who pretty much just called me ignorant.

 

Jeni another "reformer":

Well, apparently my lower class education -having 
had 12 years in the public school system as well 
as four years -and a degree too -from one of 
those other lower class schools too -a state 
university that is also a Big Ten School like 
Penn State University, which apparently doesn't 
fit within your criteria for a fine or even 
decent education, I guess I never learned the meaning of "statist" either.

But how on earth could I possibly have acquired 
that knowledge, being of such a lower class 
individual as you purport me to be -based on my inferior education and all.

Some how, I'm thinking your fine, upper-class 
education didn't teach you a darned thing about 
the words "Arrogance" and "rudeness" either for that matter.

Jeni XXXXXX
Proud graduate -1962 of West Branch Area High School, Cooper Center
and equally proud graduate of Penn State University. 1994, B.S. Rehab. Ed.

 

 

YIKES!!!