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  • Tue, Dec 22 2009 7:53 AM In reply to

    Re: Ostracism breeds crime?

    DePerc:

     

    Instead of buying food, he would just steal it, possibly at the point of a gun. A greengrocer isn't going to put his life at risk by trying to stop someone with a gun from taking a few vegetables. At least most wouldn't. So, if this person gets all that he needs to sustain himself through robbery, how would a DRO system deal with that in a non-violent way? There are no police to coerce him into changing his behaviour, and he has already been ostracized as much as possible. Assuming nobody breaks the NAP, the only way I could think of resolving this issue is through incentives given to this person to rejoin the society and "play nice". But this undermines the whole process of ostracism, if people know that all they need to do to rejoin is threaten people with crime.

    Thoughts?

     

    In this respect, I think we have to look to developing technologies like fingerscanning to solve the problem of stealing.  If your fingerprint is not in the database, you can't even open the food bin in the supermarket..... or something like that.  A supermarket with problems like this ostracized man could hire a security guard to stand at the store exits.  And like you said, the only way to non-violently resolve this would be to bribe the outcast to get back in the society, but if there was no security (technology or human) stopping him from stealing then why would this person want back in anyways?  Free market problems are solved by prevention, not enforcement.

  • Tue, Dec 22 2009 11:17 AM In reply to

    Re: Ostracism breeds crime?

    Exactly, I believe, new technologies will be very helpful for future anarchists and their societies. I tend to believe, that in future reason will overcome delusion and there will be no goverments, at least in most part of the world. Cool

    P.S. Sorry for my grammar and spelling. English is not my native language.

  • Mon, Dec 28 2009 3:49 PM In reply to

    Re: Ostracism breeds crime?

    blondie:

     The DRO's would have a security branch operating like a police force, that would arrest and incarcerate a person who threatens others with violence. I imagine these would be restitution centers, where a person would have to work off the damages they have caused, and would thus fulfill the obligation created by their behavior.

    Isn't that a government? The force of law would make the DRO not private anymore.

     

     

     

  • Mon, Jan 18 2010 11:42 PM In reply to

    Re: Ostracism breeds crime?

    I think in a DRO system there would probably be ways to rebuild your DRO rating. There might be special businesses set up for this purpose that help the individual rebuild his reputation in order to regain his standing in society.

  • Tue, Jan 19 2010 7:46 PM In reply to

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    Re: Ostracism breeds crime?

    Bootstrapper:

     A "criminal class" can only exist if some entity (like a state, for example) protects it.  L Neil Smith explains this far better than I can.

     

    Thanks for posting the link.  Great story.

    "We thought we knew everything about everything, and it turned out that there were unknown unknowns." - Richard Fisher, NASA 2009

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