Freedomain Radio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1HQexMoYeY

Oh good god. What a lunatic.

...what the crap?

Wow. What a nut.

Michelle Malkin is a nut, too, but that's beside the point I guess.

If you want to see what the future looks like to Alex Jones, that clip is a good example. Life in a constant state of anger and fear. A world of paranoia and humiliation.

Personally, I'd much rather work on the future world Stef has in mind:

Stef, I don't think Alex Jones would be hostile towards you.  He is good at identifying the police state, but he is certainly not an anarchist of any stripe - he still believes in small government, the founding fathers, and nation-states and I wouldn't expect that to change anytime soon.

Just as an aside, I'd be pretty pissed if I met someone like Michele Malkin who advocates putting Americans in internment camps too. But I probably wouldn't resort to such tactics, the truth of her own misanthropic statements is dispicable enough.

Even so I'd be wary of being part of a comminty that had strong ties to that type of antagonistic conspiracy theorist. Although of the material release by disinfo is certainly worthy of inspection. (I have a vauge recollection of Alex Jones ant the Disinfo publishing company having stron ties)

Imo the likes of Alex Jones et al. have done a lot to really discredit the freedom movement. Worse yet, some conspiracy theorists try to discredit the gov't by claiming they are run by evil supernatural entities and secret societies of evil-doers. Honestly, these kinds of nuts are what kept me on the left for a long while.

By supernatural entities I'll assume you mean the lizard-men conspiracy that is perpetuated by David Icke.  Alex Jones has publicly denouced Icke on this issue, it's in Ron Johnson's vaugely satirical documentary series "Secret Rulers of The World".  Jones has also denounced the believers of alien world conspiracies on his radio show. So I wouldn't try to tie those two very closely together.

Do societies like the Bilderberg Group, The Bohemian Grove Society, Trilaterial Commision, Council on Foreign Relations, etc. that they mention often exist? Yes, they do.  Do they have power? Yes, they do. Are they all part of an interlocking conspiracy to rule the world? I don't know. Probably not. It's largely irrelevant to me, governments do plenty of horrible things out in the open that we can easily prove.

I do find it disappointing however how many of you have so quickly resorted to ad hominem attacks, come on people we are supposed to be above all this.

avagdu:

I do find it disappointing however how many of you have so quickly resorted to ad hominem attacks, come on people we are supposed to be above all this.

I'm not above identifying a nut as such. I don't think anyone used an ad hominem, either: that's a specific kind of logical fallacy, not just another term for insult.

Yea, technically you're right. But I think you know what I mean. Call it whatever you like.

avagdu:

Yea, technically you're right. But I think you know what I mean. Call it whatever you like.

A is A.... and in this case, A = loud, aggressive, conspiracy theorist.... a.k.a. "a nutter" if you like British English (which I've grown quite fond of living in this mecca of international English).

Save the Randian rhetoric for someone who finds it more impactful.

I'm glad you folks close ranks so easily and unanimously in your opposition to someone without doing any research (seemingly, feel free to correct me). Should I judge your character by a YouTube video or a few things I heard in passing rather than actually looking at your work?

Admittedly, this is one of the most outrageous things Alex has done -  it is certainly not his usual thing and I don't agree with the approach, I think it has hurt him more than helped, but to condemn the man and his message for that is inappropriate.

He cites mainstream news articles in the majority of his books, movies, radio broadcasts, etc. about the police state and I find that useful information.  It seems like most other countries in the world have already castrated their citizens in regards to self-defense against tyranny so I suppose you wouldn't give a care about the steady march towards martial law in the USA.  But I for one am trying to find practical solutions to live without such intrustion and knowing what is going on is part of that.  I would figure an anarchist would understand the value of opposing such totalitarianism.

avagdu:

I'm glad you folks close ranks so easily and unanimously in your opposition to someone without doing any research (seemingly, feel free to correct me).

It's interesting I think -- and not uncommon -- that the criticisms above about a negative judgment in the absence of research could also be applied to the statement above, don't you think?

I take it you disagree with:

1. He's loud (Everytime I hear him, it sounds like he's yelling at me.  Maybe I've just heard a bad group of clips).

2.  He's aggressive (see #1).

or

3.  He's a conspiracy theorist.  (I don't really care about how many conspiracies he believes in or how many good things he says.  If there's even one wacky conspiracy the guy puts forward, I call him a conspiracy theorist.  9/11 conspiracies have enough evidence against them to discount them as possibilities, from what I've seen and he puts forward 9/11, so he at least talks about one.  Maybe this alone would not warrent discounting him as nuts, but combined with 1 and 2, he's a shoe in for the trophy.)

What are you feeling in this topic, because I felt a lot of hostility towards you and I'm not sure why.