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Dtomboy:

I would tend to agree with you here.  I really think this kid is a good example of someone who could have been open to a lot of ideas that go on here but once it was discovered he didn't really have anything bad to say about his parents and could live with them having their religion even if he was going in a different direction, then suddenly he was pounced upon and virtually bullied to just go away.

Sorry, but I can't help but read an agenda in this sentence. It implies, a bit snidely, that Stefan and others who posted in this thread were at any point wed to a position rather than a methodology.

It's not that saying bad things about your parents is a necessity for integrity. It's just a fact that 99%+ of parents in the world are corrupt. And when you fail to address the fact that there are corrupt people in your life, even when it's pointed out, and you even go as far as putting out positive arguments for why they aren't corrupt, you are committing an act of corruption yourself. Failing to call the wrong "wrong" and instead calling it "good" or "O.K." is, well, wrong.

Could you clarify what you meant (if it wasn't what I answered), or maybe provide some more reasons for your claim of cause and effect?
 

chewgarus:

 It's just a fact that 99%+ of parents in the world are corrupt.

I love that. A totally subjective statement, passed off of "just a fact". I mean, not only is that statement almost devoid of any empirical information, but it's also one of those pulled-it-out-of-my-butt numbers. 99%+? Did you survey some selection of people around the world, or are you just misanthropic? 

If you think that 99%+ of all humans are "corrupt", then maybe what you consider corrupt is actually normal... 

how i read the exchange:

stef - christianity advocates my murder

tyler - my parents dont want you dead

stef- well then your parents are not christians and if you do have a close relationship with them you should be able to talk to them about the inconsistency of not following the bible and saying they are christians

tyler - stop saying my parents are evil

i did not see stef  say that tyler's parents were bad or that they had a bad relationship
my guess is tyler was not ready to talk to his parents about their religion, or believes that if he does he will lose them.

 

haha actually it's always the same.

- Christianity advocates genocide.

- Stef is a bully for pointing that out.

I wonder if these moral heroes also attack Martin Luther King for repeatedly discussing the reality that the KKK is a racist organization?

davidngo:

not sure this was the best way to get this kid to take the pill of "rationality and reason".  i think the blunt reality of Christianity's irrationality could have been brought up in a better way so he would have come to that conclusion with you, as opposed to the "face it now, or leave" technique.  the blunt hammer of logic was used here.  which stef himself has told me to avoid.

Good point. It sucks that this thread went down the toilet but you can't win em' all . Too many personal grudges clearly being shown.

bockman:

How is the request, 'Please stop posting here' an act of bullying?

Why would you think the phrase "please stop posting here" is what I was referring to?  I am referring to how the conversation centered on what his parents think and do and believe, rather than what the kid was thinking and trying to learn about.

chewgarus:

Dtomboy:

I would tend to agree with you here.  I really think this kid is a good example of someone who could have been open to a lot of ideas that go on here but once it was discovered he didn't really have anything bad to say about his parents and could live with them having their religion even if he was going in a different direction, then suddenly he was pounced upon and virtually bullied to just go away.

Sorry, but I can't help but read an agenda in this sentence. It implies, a bit snidely, that Stefan and others who posted in this thread were at any point wed to a position rather than a methodology.

It's not that saying bad things about your parents is a necessity for integrity. It's just a fact that 99%+ of parents in the world are corrupt. And when you fail to address the fact that there are corrupt people in your life, even when it's pointed out, and you even go as far as putting out positive arguments for why they aren't corrupt, you are committing an act of corruption yourself. Failing to call the wrong "wrong" and instead calling it "good" or "O.K." is, well, wrong.

Could you clarify what you meant (if it wasn't what I answered), or maybe provide some more reasons for your claim of cause and effect?
 

Hmmm, recently I was chided for sounding snarky and now I'm being chided for snideness.  Yet I've seen lots of posts on this forum that appear to be short-tempered or appear to be written in a sneering tone, Stef included, so why not point it out every time?  Why do comments like these only come out when one wants to disagree with what I've said?  And what are you trying to accomplish when you say such things about how you individually perceive someone's post?  All it does is make the person feel like they have to defend that particular perception rather than discussing the ideas within.

Also, you need to take the entire sentence and not just pull out one phrase of what I wrote because it's important to note that I think the kid could live with the idea that his parents believe what they believe even if he was going in a different direction.  This was about him and his growth, not about his parents.  His parents weren't here looking for some thoughts and advice and input on developing relationships in college, he was.  And if he wants to hang out with them at this point, then why continue to push right now?  This thread could have gone in a whole other direction if people would have just started to talk to him about going off to college and what he could do to find new friends.  And if he would have stayed here and continued to learn more about developing future relationships in college, then maybe he would have found his relationship with his parents to be troublesome.  Or maybe not.  But why not trust him to learn and grow on his own, in his own time?

mr evil:

i did not see stef  say that tyler's parents were bad or that they had a bad relationship
my guess is tyler was not ready to talk to his parents about their religion, or believes that if he does he will lose them. 

 

Your guess?  I don't think we have to guess, he pretty much laid that out in his original post.  Yes, he did state his fears about losing his family, especially when he was about to go off to college.  And he feared this loss because he wasn't sure about how to go about making friends in college.  So he asked for help.  Do you think he found it here?

Stefan Molyneux:

haha actually it's always the same.

- Christianity advocates genocide.

- Stef is a bully for pointing that out.

I wonder if these moral heroes also attack Martin Luther King for repeatedly discussing the reality that the KKK is a racist organization?

Who said you were a bully for pointing out that Christianity advocates genocide?

Dtomboy:

So he asked for help.  Do you think he found it here?

I think he did. He chose to reject it. That is unfortunate.

Stefan Molyneux:

Well, who is being criticized here?

I'm confused, is this directed to one of my posts?  My question to you was :

Who said you were a bully for pointing out that Christianity advocates genocide?

P.S.: Did you receive my emails about how the post of mine that you moved to Books: Everyday Anarchy can't be accessed.  Is it a computer glitch?

blackacidlizzard:

Dtomboy:

So he asked for help.  Do you think he found it here?

I think he did. He chose to reject it. That is unfortunate.

Can you help me find where anyone helped him learn how to go about making friends and developing new relationships in college?