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I would like to hear a podcast on the New World Order type conspiracies, where shadowy groups plot for world domination. I think that other people will find this very interesting, funny and generally entertaining.

The New World order conspiracies: Are they practical? Are any of them real? What do they stand for? Is economics on their side? Explain how many conspiracies are actually real. Perhaps discuss the popular notion that there are too many humans for the world to sustain, and that many people believe in drastic centrally planned schemes to solve this 'problem'. If someone is educated by such an intellectual and believed that nonsense, and then became financially successful or powerful, wouldn't he get together with other similar minded people and work on implementing such a scheme? Bring up the motives or lack of motives to start such organisations. Mention the paradox that the more people who are involved, the more likely it is that the truth will get out, and that the fewer people involved, the more difficult it is to implement.

Then, there are the people who are paranoid about a new world order. Conspiracy theorists, crackpots, apocalyptic types, you get the idea. Talk about what sort of things they believe in, what kind of people they are, the fact that worrying about conspiracies or promoting their ideas does nothing achieve their goals. What is their psychology? How does someone get like that? Schizophrenia? Isn't it morally reprehensible for people to just pump out fear when they are just preying on vulnerable people? What sort of parents will NWO conspiracy theorists be? What do they do to the perception of the freedom movement? Although they often turn out to be right about government's plans, that's just because governments will use most new technology for evil purposes - it just takes government longer to implement than it takes for the conspiracy theorists to cook up a scare story. Injectable RFID chips for tracking all people, for example.

Describe how conspiracy theories are created by stringing together a bunch of real facts and news articles to paint a story that superficially seems true. Create an amusing but slightly plausible conspiracy theory in your podcast as an example, and make it somewhat elaborate for entertainment, using a bunch of facts, new technology and news articles.

I think a podcast about conspiracy theorist would be great. Conspiracy theorist  have created their own religion based on insane ideas regarding  the nature of government, economics, philosophy,science, and everything that encompasses human behavior.

That’s exactly where I come from.  Since 911 I’ve been going through everything I’ve been able to get my hands on; even lizard people, I’m more than sorry to admit.  You just can’t find truth anywhere but here these days.

 

Thanks so much to Stef for getting me out of there.  Condemnations to him for getting me hooked on this stuff!!!

cmcpheed:

That’s exactly where I come from.  Since 911 I’ve been going through everything I’ve been able to get my hands on; even lizard people, I’m more than sorry to admit.  You just can’t find truth anywhere but here these days.

 

Thanks so much to Stef for getting me out of there.  Condemnations to him for getting me hooked on this stuff!!!

Did you ever buy into ideas like the Illuminati?

I believe that many of these conspiracy groups are probably real, but none of them is 'ruling the world'. The "Fabian Socialists" were a group of wealthy socialists and intellectuals that got their way over many years through an 'open conspiracy'. Then you have David Rockafeller making foolish quotes in his writings that almost seem to be baiting the conspiracy theorists. There are probably just lots of competing groups with various schemes and long term plans. Also, government power just naturally tends to centralise over time, without the need of some overarching conspiracy. Although it does seem likely that we will have some sort of one world government if things don't turn around, it doesn't necessarily mean that a bunch of elitist 'old money' types will be making it all happen. Anyway, don't all major philosophical approaches have 'worldwide expansion' as one benchmark of success?

Aww, come on! We all know that Freedomain Radio is just a front to take over the world, and that we are mindless drones obeying the every whim of the Big Shiny Forehead!

 

But seriously, the people in power don't really need conspiracies. They just need to make up some half-plausible excuse as a cover for what they're really doing, or appeal to some vague ideology.  It's just hidden in plain sight. 

Do these conspiracy theories make people feel more powerful, or less powerful do you think?

Stefan Molyneux:

Do these conspiracy theories make people feel more powerful, or less powerful do you think?

 Forgive me if I'm a bit erratic in this response, i just drank lots of coffee to help me stay awake and finish a work project.

I think the conspiracy theories make people feel disempowered, like the New World Order is an inevitable looming threat. The conspiracy theorists I have met seem almost paralyzed by inaction - they spend their time calling news stations and talk shows, and sending '9/11 truth' dvds to people. They get very hostile when their ideas are challenged, far more so than most people do about touchy topics. They often have a bizarre obsession with 'spreading the truth' to as many people as possible in the hopes that this will make people 'do something' when they themselves aren't actually doing anything except paralyzing others. Finally, their general manner suggests to me that something is just not right (the 'pedophile glasses/hobbyist' appearance, belief in crystal power etc). I'm not trying to be mean - I'm just interested in knowing where that sort of thing comes from.

All of the most successful conspiracies are the ones which use the most dramatic scare tactics, that make people feel as afraid and desperate as possible. I do believe that the process of creating conspiracy theories is unrelated to any real conspiracies - it's just that by mixing and matching the right snippets of news and facts about various shadowy groups, you can end up with quite a frightening story. I have a mental image of schizophrenics sending out paranoid chain mails back and forth to each-other in a bizarre version of chinese whispers, with people adding relevant news snippets along the way... and through a twisted form of natural selection, the most frightening, consistent stories end up 'winning'. From there, the story appears on Alex Jones and kooky magazines where it infects the wider pool of conspiracy theorists.

There is also a type of person who gets pleasure by convincing others that his own irrational fantasies are real. Like "alien abduction" cases, but often more manipulative. The person will get caught up in his own fantasy, even believing it on a superficial level, but deep down he knows that he is spewing lies. As a side topic, what is that all about? I can guess that it could be an escape mechanism that a child used to spirit himself away from abuse, and perhaps the habit became ingrained, but I'm not sure.

 

Do you think the topics in this thread are something you would be interested in exploring through your podcastz?  

I do, actually - I did one on the 9/11 folks, does anyone remember the #?

Stefan Molyneux:

Do these conspiracy theories make people feel more powerful, or less powerful do you think?

Excelent question,

what is really, really bad about conspiracy theories in general is that it gives people a picture of either the govt or a group of ppl seeking a "NWO" as very powerful, intelligent and brutal. It's sort of similar to religion, people have this instinct deep inside to feer some superpower doing evil things if you don't obey, or feer the climate or comets-hitting earth, or natural disasters wich seperates them from true real-life.

Conclusion:

The negative part is, it definitely makes them feel small and less-powerfull. But on the positive side, since they nolonger trust the governmental system it's alot easier to talk some sense to them and get rid of their feer (as opposed to those that believe more or less all the government propaganda). So it's not completely negative

After hearing about Bush's new plans for "free trade" in more countries, I believe there is a new world order.  But, it's not secret or new.  I realized a long time ago that this new world order is simply economic imperialism/colonialism.  The USA (or other advanced western democracies and now China) gets countries to open up their markets so that American (or whatever country's) companies can move in for cheap labor and raw materials and then get "free trade" agreements so that the finished products will not be taxed so heavily on import back to the mother country that the overseas move would have been a wash or worse financially.

 

 

soma:

I would like to hear a podcast on the New World Order type conspiracies, where shadowy groups plot for world domination. I think that other people will find this very interesting, funny and generally entertaining.

I just found this jewel that will answer all of your questions on this subject:

http://www.freedomainradio.com/Traffic_Jams/FDR_752_Board_Attacks_Part_2_Mythology.mp3 

Why don't you go over to google video and watch The Money Masters, ZEITGEIST, The Movie - Official Release - Full Film, and Endgame.  Then get back to us and let us know what you think.  

Hey, that’s where I’ve been.  I studied this NWO conspiracy longer than any other one, because it’s the nearest to reality.  But the more I went into it, the more it all seemed like there are several NWOs, even in the United States.  This NOW just does not have a clear operating platform.  Is like observing the orbit of Mars and trying to adjust it to the Ptolemy planetary mode.  It just does not fit, sometimes it moves backwards, and seems errant at times.

 

I abandoned it when I applied Stef’s thoughts to Israel.  Israel is the biggest contradiction in human history, and in fact is one of the reasons these conspiracy theories gain so much acceptance throughout the world.  Just think the hatred the Protocols have caused.  But when I began to see the state of Israel as the actual enemy of its Jew citizens, then it all became clear to me.  Israel exists as a means for a few criminal politicians (a small overkill here) to take a lot of money from the richest people in the world.  It can’t be a Jewish conspiracy when it’s the Jewish people who always come out in the loosing side.

 

Now I’m beginning to think that what many people refer to as the NWO members, the Bilderbergs, the CFR and others, are just statists with individual agendas, who end up steering the beast of the state towards expansion and murder through some sort of a Darwinian process, where a virus mutates but the end result is always disease.

Patryk:

Stefan Molyneux:

Do these conspiracy theories make people feel more powerful, or less powerful do you think?

Excelent question,

what is really, really bad about conspiracy theories in general is that it gives people a picture of either the govt or a group of ppl seeking a "NWO" as very powerful, intelligent and brutal. It's sort of similar to religion, people have this instinct deep inside to feer some superpower doing evil things if you don't obey, or feer the climate or comets-hitting earth, or natural disasters wich seperates them from true real-life.

Conclusion:

The negative part is, it definitely makes them feel small and less-powerfull. But on the positive side, since they nolonger trust the governmental system it's alot easier to talk some sense to them and get rid of their feer (as opposed to those that believe more or less all the government propaganda). So it's not completely negative

I have noticed that many of them use freedom arguments purely merely as a way of supporting their conspiracy theories. SOme of them accept the bait and switch of freedom/conspiracy theories. The best line i can think of to deal with this is, "You don't need to prove this conspiracy in order for people to understand that government is evil. They are up front and open about many things that are far more evil than any of these conspiracies."